Daniel Kasak wrote:
Chris Benatar wrote:
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I am sure that OO.o software is some of the best written code around
but it seems that not enough thought and effort has been given to the
overall concepts and target groups. I am well aware that the choice of
language was largely determined by the huge influence of Sun
Microsystems which is to be expected, but the problem however still
remains - you are throwing gibberish (from the users perspective) at
the users and they run away.
Just found this thread. Better late than never.
I completely agree. I've spent literally days agonising over scripts
that would have taken my 5 minutes in VB & Word / Excel. For example I
made a script that pulls data from a database, based on data entered in
a dialog, and dumps it into a text document. It took multiple attempts (
between which I gave up and swore never to return ) and probably 5 days
( combined work ) of frigging around to get it to work.
I've since decided that anything needing Macros needs MS Office.
Everything else can use OpenOffice. For database apps, I've rolled my
own solution with Gtk2-Perl.
If people want OOBasic to get some traction, it *needs* to be easy to do
things like:
Range( ActiveCell, ActiveCell.Offset(5,10) ).Select
Selection.Copy
Sheet("SomeSheet").Activate
ActiveSheet.Paste
If people have to refer to use 10x the code and refer to garbage like:
com.sun.star on every line, then they're just not going to use it.
Perhaps someone should set up a study similar to the usage studies that
compare tasks under Word & OO Writer ... but instead of getting
end-users to do some formatting and a mail merge, get some programmers
to do something like the above ( or the parent's post ). The simple fact
is that most people don't care how much cooler OOBasic is than VB, or
how much more you can do, or how much better designed it is. Most people
just want to do simple scripting, and for that, OOBasic is the worst
language for the job. Even in my days of Cobol at uni, I've never been
OOBasic as a programming language is quite simple and similar to VB.
What you mean is the API which of course is completely different than
the API from MS. I agree that we can make things easier, we have learned
a lot and we will address these things in the future. Even for OOBasic
we will introduce more syntactical suggar (as MS did it) to make things
easier.
Juergen
so frustrated with a programming language, as when I was copying and
pasting values in OOBasic.
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