On 11/17/05, Nicolas Mailhot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Remind me to make you discover Google someday. It's a little-known site
> crippled by lack of communication aids. Should take a lesson from
> altavista.


Um.. when I went to Google.com <http://Google.com> - there was a huge
*GRAPHIC* across the top of the page. And then a place that I could interact
with, and a couple of buttons. Some of the stuff on the top was
right-aligned, but most of it was centered. There were some spaced out
links, (I couldn't see the url where they sent me, so I guess that would be
called "masking a link" right?) All writen, I assume, in HTML.

Then I wanted to check, so I viewed the source, and, lo and behold, there
was a bunch of HTML.

<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
charset=UTF-8"><title>Google</title><style><!--
body,td,a,p,.h{font-family:arial,sans-serif;}
.h{font-size: 20px;}
.q{color:#0000cc;}
//-->
</style>
<script>
<!--
function sf(){document.f.q.focus();}
function 
rwt(el,ct,cd,sg){el.href="/url?sa=t&ct="+escape(ct)+"&cd="+escape(cd)+"&url="+escape(el.href).replace(/\+/g,"%2B")+"&ei=bd98Q8PcGpDwiwG6-IFU"+sg;el.onmousedown="";return
true;}
// -->
</script>
</head><body bgcolor=#ffffff text=#000000 link=#0000cc vlink=#551a8b
alink=#ff0000 onLoad=sf() topmargin=3 marginheight=3><center><table
border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=100%><tr><td align=right
nowrap><font size=-1><b>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</b>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a
href="/url?sa=p&pref=ig&pval=2&q=http://www.google.com/ig%3Fhl%3Den";
onmousedown="return
rwt(this,'pro','hppphou:def','&sig2=QVuU5BLXYuJ1s6iqX-V6vA')">Personalized
Home</a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a
href="http://www.google.com/searchhistory/?hl=en";>Search
History</a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a
href="https://www.google.com/accounts/ManageAccount";>My
Account</a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a
href="http://www.google.com/accounts/Logout?continue=http://www.google.com/";>Sign
out</a></font></td></tr><tr height=4><td><img alt="" width=1
height=1></td></tr></table><img src="/intl/en/images/logo.gif"
width=276 height=110 alt="Google"><br><br>
<form action=/search name=f><script><!--
function qs(el) {if (window.RegExp && window.encodeURIComponent) {var
ue=el.href;var 
qe=encodeURIComponent(document.f.q.value);if(ue.indexOf("q=")!=-1){el.href=ue.replace(new
RegExp("q=[^&$]*"),"q="+qe);}else{el.href=ue+"&q="+qe;}}return 1;}
// -->
</script><table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=4><tr><td
nowrap><font size=-1><b>Web</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a id=1a
class=q href="/imghp?hl=en&tab=wi" onClick="return
qs(this);">Images</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a id=2a class=q
href="http://groups.google.com/grphp?hl=en&tab=wg"; onClick="return
qs(this);">Groups</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a id=4a class=q
href="http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn"; onClick="return
qs(this);">News</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a id=5a class=q
href="http://froogle.google.com/frghp?hl=en&tab=wf"; onClick="return
qs(this);">Froogle</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a id=7a class=q
href="/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl" onClick="return
qs(this);">Local<sup><a style="text-decoration:none"><font      
color=red>New!</font></a></sup></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<b><a
href="/intl/en/options/"
class=q>more&nbsp;&raquo;</a></b></font></td></tr></table><table
cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td width=25%>&nbsp;</td><td
align=center><input type=hidden name=hl value=en><input maxLength=256
size=55 name=q value="" title="Google Search"><br><input type=submit
value="Google Search" name=btnG><input type=submit value="I'm Feeling
Lucky" name=btnI></td><td valign=top nowrap width=25%><font
size=-2>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=/advanced_search?hl=en>Advanced
Search</a><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a
href=/preferences?hl=en>Preferences</a><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a
href=/language_tools?hl=en>Language
Tools</a></font></td></tr></table></form><br><br><font size=-1><a
href="/ads/">Advertising&nbsp;Programs</a> - <a
href=/services/>Business Solutions</a> - <a
href=/intl/en/about.html>About Google</a></font><p><font
size=-2>&copy;2005 Google</font></p></center></body></html>



Or you could spend some of your time reading professional typography
> guides (even going inside a real library !). 99,99% of HTML capabilities
> are filed under "amateurish schoolboy effects which hinder
> communication" there.
>

Not when done properly.

"A picture is worth a thousand words" (that was penned before the Internet,
back when people used libraries).

When books were hand written over 500 years ago, someone still thought
graphics were important to communication, and thus woodcarvings were used to
create illuminated manuscripts.

Cavemen would draw, not write, on the walls. Communication has always
involved both words and images. That's why more time is spent with TVs than
radios. It's as anceint as humanity itself, and as up-to-the-second as
AFLAX.

When Shakespeare wrote his plays, we hired people to dress up, in costumes,
to act out his plays, on sets, with props, in order to communicate with
people. He didn't just make copies of his script and hand them out. he could
have. But maybe he was an amateurish schoolboy who had to use special
effects to communicate, but that hinders communication, right?

Oh, and Google - isn't that the company that owns -
hello.com<http://hello.com>,
blogger.com <http://blogger.com>, blogspot.com <http://blogspot.com>,
picasa, Google Maps, and a bunch of other non-text based stuff? Hello and
Picasa are all about pictures. Google map uses actual satelitte images
overlaid on the map to help people know where they are going. Blogger and
blogspot host tons of webpages complete with images, colors, font effects,
etc. - all to help people communicate.

Sure, some people MIS-use these tools, and cause more confusion than good -
but used well, it can be a huge help. People can misuse plain text too, and
look or sound stupid and amateurish. I've been accused of that a lot. And I
didn't need HTML to do it.

HTML is a tool. Just like anything else.

--
- Chad Smith
http://www.gimpshop.net/
Because everyone loves free software!

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