Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
Thursday, March 16, 2006 Jonathon Blake wrote:
Robin wrote:
I have tried to create styles (which was easy in WP) but I keep getting lost.
How does can one get lost doing [for OOo 1.1.x]
">>Format >styles >Catalog >select style type >Select style >New/modify" ?
where I go to change something into BOLD or underline
and find that it doesn't show up as expected. Multiple
attempts later I finally get it. This has happened in WP, Word and
OOo.
This is below the level of a style but with RC,
You desperately need to take the ten hours it needs, to learn what
styles are,. and another 30+ hours to unlearn all of the junk that WP
claims are styles, but is not, and never will. [At best, it can be
described as an imitation of the drunk looking for a quarter in the
light of the streetlamp, even thou he lost the money in the creek,
which is twenty blocks away.]
Nice trolling.
WordPerfect has had proper character and paired styling
since at leat WP5.1 for DOS (first version I used), and
paragraph styles since version 6.0
(Hard) attributes in WordPerfect are
triggered/selected/(de)activated by special tokens inserted
in the stream text. Thus it's obviously natural that a
*Style* in WordPerfect is a collection of such tokens.
However, the styling in WP is more powerful than that,
because you can put any token in a style, including text.
And this is something you might need to do, for example to
mark speech parts in a novel (by inserting the quotes in the
style, where they belong, rather than in the text, of which
they are /not/ part of, since they are a visual mark for a
conceptual difference).
But I digress.
Creating styles in OOo is not really that hard, but creating
them /properly/ is a PITN with little or no chance to
'backtrack' if you by mistake activate a single extra
attribute. To this purpose I have an Enhancement Request up
on IssueZilla, number #7861 at
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=7861
about an extra tab that should be inserted in the Style
Editor to make the job easier for power users like me
(instead of an extra tab, it could be a change in the
summary tab)
There are some built-in limits in OOo styling which make it
extremely painful to use, especially when it comes to
character styles, namely the inability to be 'transparent'
to some attributes (something which both WordPerfect and
Cascading Style Sheets can do, OTOH). This has been
discussed at length in other threads.
I have been informed by my better half that if there is ever a WP for
Linux again, we will be getting it. She writes for hours every day
and even though styles are useful, they don't give her the control she
needs or wants. FWIW, she uses OOo and Nero for most of her work.
As I said before, it would be nice to have the best of both worlds in
OOo. Isn't this the idea of being different than MS Office?
I think you pointed my mind to what I don't like about styles. There
are to many ways to set the style. Five different headings in Styles
and Formatting and then how many under each of the headings. I count
175 different styles in my install with no custom styles created.
What do they all do? Many don't have any descriptions to what they
are supposed to do. I have to find the time to play with each one.
I guess it comes down to ease of control.
Thinking about this, is there a Styles for WordPefect users anywhere?
Something to explain how to change the mindset and teach someone
that loves reveal codes as to how to use Styles?
--
Robin Laing
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