On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:21:43 AM -0600, Barbara Duprey ([email protected]) wrote:
> Marco wrote:

> >   now, will you please understand that there is no guarantee
> >   whatsoever that when all the other subscribed users will open their
> >   mailbox they will find BOTH X and Y in it?
> >   ...

> I *do* know that, and have considered it. But in practice, very few
> of us actually monitor this situation, and we tend to wait a bit
> before responding.... Barbara sends private message to the user and
> a one-liner to the list (not containing the original post). All
> other thread traffic is identical to what it would have been if the
> OP were subscribed. And it's entirely likely that the one-liners
> will be filterable, if you object to seeing them.

Barbara,

The practices I objected against are the VERY ones I have seen both
practiced and advocated on the users list, EXACTLY as I have described
them in these days, for YEARS, with a stubborness and cluelessness
beyond belief.  Please note "EXACTLY" and "YEARS". I am not making
nothing of this up. This is all very well documented in the
archives. I have simply described what was the absolutely standard way
to "take care of unsubscribed OPs" on that list and I take nothing
back of what I've written against it.

This said, what you explained in this last message is certainly
different. If it was already clearly explained some time ago by you, I
did indeed miss it. Having seen at least 20 times in the last years
the "dealing with unsubscribed OPs" strategy always proposed EXACTLY
as I described it in this thread, I have probably lost these
differences this time. Pity, I'm sorry about that OK, let's restart it
this way:

if you and a few others voluntarily take up the task of figuring out
who's unsubscribed and who's not, acting with THEM as you see fit,
WITHOUT going around and demanding that every other subscriber does
the same (because again, this IS how this was advocated in all the
previous incarnations I've seen) then I've nothing to object anymore,
with one exception.

If you agree from the beginning that only a few self-appointed
volunteers will do all this monitoring and notification stuff on their
own time and nobody else cares, either because they hate the concept
or because they know you're taking care of it... what is the purpose
of notifying the list? Can't you just forward to the unsubscribed OP
and not bother the other subscribers?  This is the only disagreement
between us, at this point. Seriously and constructively: what do you
really GAIN by sending a notification to the list that you informed
the unsubscribed OP?

Must leave now, will answer the rest of your questions later, but
let's restart from the point above, please.

Marco

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