I am sorry to say that, but the graph construction interface is much better on Gnumeric then on OOo Calc or MS Excel. I really like OOo and using it everyday for production (text editing, drawing, database maintenance) but I can't help myself, I really hate that wannabe excel graph wizard of the Calc, for that reason I mostly use Gnumeric instead of Calc. Yes, there are also x and y errorbars.
Have a nice day Tomas On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 16:39 +1100, Bianca Gibson wrote: > I quite like the UI how it is. A supposedly more intuitive UI, MS > office 07 drove me away. It's easy for basic things, but as soon as > you go more complex it gets much harder. I'd rather keep a more > traditional interface, with a slightly steeper learning curve for > newcomers, that is in the long term easier. The only problem I have > with open office is the lack of both X and Y error bars on graphs! > There is one but not the other, and I need both for my physics > reports. This makes me do most of my reports on my linux box(my > preferred work station) running open office, then use someone else's > windows machine running MS office to finish it off. > > On 26 March 2010 07:03, Michael Adams <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Wednesday 24 March 2010 11:14, Miroslav Mazel wrote: > >> 1. *The UI* > >> The UI is the single most important aspect of any piece of software. That's > >> how Apple makes its money: its products aren't feature packed and its > >> competitors usually already have the features its products have, but > >> Apple's hardware and software are really intuitive and comfortable to use. > > You have no conclusions from this observation - if you are an Apple Fanboy, > > fine, but what were you expecting us to absorb from their strategy. > > > >> The Renaissance project is shaping up really well. We need to get as many > >> people as possible to test it, to provide feedback, and to look into more > >> things we could do with the UI to make it more intuitive. > > Ah - the look like Office 2007 team. > > > >> 2. *The look* > >> Self-explanatory. > > Is part of the Graphical UI. Do you like it or not? I fail to see the > > purpose > > of raising this as an item in your list unless you tell us what you mean. > > > >> 3. *The "feel"/the code* > >> OOo is infamous for being bloated. It's a famed memory and resource hog. So > >> here are a few streamlining suggestions: > >> a) Make secondary things into extensions. Take Google Chrome: it has put > >> basic things like the RSS feed indicator into extensions. I think we should > >> do a similar thing, but keep some of these basic extensions bundled in > >> OOo (but they would now be easily removable). A few things which could be > >> made into extensions: Wizards, templates, Gallery, Media player, Navigator, > >> Language tools, Collaboration tools, Help files, etc. > > I don't really get your point here at all. You start slamming memory and > > resource usage, then providing a list of things, of which many only get > > loaded into memory when called upon anyway. What part of the help files is > > running before it has been requested by the user? > > > >> b) Use bits of the same code across the suite. (It's very peculiar that > >> some things, like shapes or tables, don't work exactly the same way across > >> all the applications, or that things like the zoom slider end up in one > >> application several releases before another.) > > +1 > > > >> 4. *The website* > >> The website holds the key to all of these, because that's where we get both > >> volunteers and customers. The website needs to be completely rethought, > >> from the ground up. The homepage needs a big, bright, warm download button > >> and needs to be more resolution-independent and colorful (judging by the > >> Feng-GUI heat map, where the OOo logo is the most distinctive part of the > >> page) in general. > > > > It just was. Where was your input into that process? > > > >> The whole site needs to be recategorized and made > >> browseable. All things related to projects (resources, mailing lists, > >> links, wiki pages, ...) need to be collected into one lucid, readable, > >> well-categorized project hub. Text needs to be drastically cut short, > >> projects and mailing lists that have been broken up into so many parts need > >> to be merged, and the new user routine has to be seriously simplified. > >> Seriously, there is just so much unnecessary complexity on the site right > >> now. And there needs to be an IdeaTorrent page, to provide a simple way to > >> collect ideas from people (because the current idea submission procedure is > >> too complicated and ineffective). > >> > >> That's it. Of course, there are still problems like compatibility and > >> feature parity with Office to tackle, but I'd say those are secondary > >> (we've got the major compatibility problems solved, I think). > > Trying to achieve feature parity with a competitor only ever makes a > > product a > > copycat, not an innovative leader. That is why the renaissance project GUI > > should be offered as an addon only. I have it on good authority that people > > are resistant to change. The Office ribbon is one thing that has cause a lot > > of grief to customers with a good grasp on the traditional layout, This > > results in reduced output (how temporary this is, is debatable). No changes > > should be made without someone offering training. Where are the resources > > you > > propose for the training. > > > > Changing a work site from Office 2003 to OO.o instead of Office 2007 was an > > opportunity that was mostly missed. Even then, training needs to be taken > > into the mix. I have heard of several half baked attempts to do just this > > that failed. > > > >> I'm only concerned about the speed we accomplish this with: things have > >> been moving pretty slowly around here, or so it seems. > >> > >> I think we could do things a lot faster with a website refresh. That's the > >> thing we want to do first, because it'll get us more contributors. I'd > >> especially appreciate the IdeaTorrent page. > >> > >> I'm also a bit concerned about online editing (with rising internet usage > >> and speeds, as well as the game-changing, web app-only Chrome OS), but I've > >> talked about that before... > > > > I hope you feel better after your rant. I do however see a lot of finger > > pointing without much practical help offered. > > > > -- > > Michael > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
