Roger- can u pls write a little bit about what hardware/software u use at Mt. Etna Pk? It seems like there have been some developments since m0n0wall that some of us [me!] dont know about. Does your setup allow filtering by IP? Bandwidth limiting to some users? A captive portal to give u legal protection when ppl use your node to DL illegal stuff?
On 4/29/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Discuss mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://socalfreenet.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_socalfreenet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: It's 2003....all over again! (Steve Shapery) > 2. Re: It's 2003....all over again! (Matt Fanady) > 3. Re: It's 2003....all over again! (Steven Murphy) > 4. Re: It's 2003....all over again! (Drew) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:16:59 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Steve Shapery" <[email protected]> > To: "SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SCFN] It's 2003....all over again! > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 > > I'd be all for it, except when I had my node up my neighbors were seeding > torrents all day long at my expense. > > Disappointingly, I've found that a large percentage of the people out > there will abuse a free service. > > my $0.02. > > > > > Matt Fanady wrote: >> It's a bit more than that, they want to encourage router manufacturers to >> include tools to allow people to open their AP's whilst still maintaining >> their security and usability of their private networks. Not a bad idea >> really. >> >> -M@ >> >> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Donald Johnson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> So you want everyone to just unlock their doors (routers) and allow the >>> porno types open access so that ICE can just bust everyone. . . NO >>> THANKS >>> >>> >>> --- On *Thu, 4/28/11, Matt Fanady <[email protected]>* wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Matt Fanady <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [SCFN] It's 2003....all over again! >>> To: "SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List" >>> <[email protected]> >>> Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 9:32 AM >>> >>> >>> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/04/open-wireless-movement >>> >>> >>> "We will need a political and technological "Open Wireless Movement" to >>> reverse the degradation of this indispensable component of the >>> Internet's >>> infrastructure. Part of the task will simply be reminding people that >>> opening their WiFi is the socially responsible thing to do, and >>> explaining >>> that individuals who choose to do so can enjoy the same legal >>> protections >>> against liability as any other Internet access >>> provider.1<https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/04/open-wireless-movement#footnote1_ya0f9zp> >>> Individuals, >>> including Bruce >>> Schneier<http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/01/my_open_wireles.html> >>> and Cory >>> Doctorow<http://www.boingboing.net/2008/01/10/why-its-good-to-leav.html>, >>> have laid some of the groundwork. It's time to spead the message far and >>> wide." >>> >>> -M@ >>> >>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List >>> To unsubscribe, please visit: >>> http://socalfreenet.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_socalfreenet.org >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List >>> To unsubscribe, please visit: >>> http://socalfreenet.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_socalfreenet.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List >> To unsubscribe, please visit: >> http://socalfreenet.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_socalfreenet.org > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:21:18 -0700 > From: Matt Fanady <[email protected]> > To: "SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SCFN] It's 2003....all over again! > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > *knocks on wood* I've had no problems to speak of with that kind of thing, > and I've had mine open since 2002. Must just be an abNormal Heights thing > ;) > > -M@ > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Steve Shapery <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'd be all for it, except when I had my node up my neighbors were seeding >> torrents all day long at my expense. >> >> Disappointingly, I've found that a large percentage of the people out >> there will abuse a free service. >> >> my $0.02. >> >> >> >> >> Matt Fanady wrote: >> > It's a bit more than that, they want to encourage router manufacturers >> > to >> > include tools to allow people to open their AP's whilst still >> > maintaining >> > their security and usability of their private networks. Not a bad idea >> > really. >> > >> > -M@ >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Donald Johnson <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> So you want everyone to just unlock their doors (routers) and allow the >> >> porno types open access so that ICE can just bust everyone. . . NO >> >> THANKS >> >> >> >> >> >> --- On *Thu, 4/28/11, Matt Fanady <[email protected]>* wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Matt Fanady <[email protected]> >> >> Subject: [SCFN] It's 2003....all over again! >> >> To: "SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List" >> >> <[email protected]> >> >> Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 9:32 AM >> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/04/open-wireless-movement >> >> >> >> >> >> "We will need a political and technological "Open Wireless Movement" to >> >> reverse the degradation of this indispensable component of the >> >> Internet's >> >> infrastructure. Part of the task will simply be reminding people that >> >> opening their WiFi is the socially responsible thing to do, and >> >> explaining >> >> that individuals who choose to do so can enjoy the same legal >> >> protections >> >> against liability as any other Internet access >> >> provider.1< >> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/04/open-wireless-movement#footnote1_ya0f9zp >> > >> >> Individuals, >> >> including Bruce >> >> Schneier< >> http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/01/my_open_wireles.html> >> >> and Cory >> >> Doctorow<http://www.boingboing.net/2008/01/10/why-its-good-to-leav.html >> >, >> >> have laid some of the groundwork. It's time to spead the message far >> >> and >> >> wide." >> >> >> >> -M@ >> >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List >> >> To unsubscribe, please visit: >> >> http://socalfreenet.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_socalfreenet.org >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List >> >> To unsubscribe, please visit: >> >> http://socalfreenet.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_socalfreenet.org >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List >> > To unsubscribe, please visit: >> > http://socalfreenet.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_socalfreenet.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List >> To unsubscribe, please visit: >> http://socalfreenet.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_socalfreenet.org >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://socalfreenet.org/pipermail/discuss_socalfreenet.org/attachments/20110428/0a0e66ef/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:45:18 -0700 > From: Steven Murphy <[email protected]> > To: "SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SCFN] It's 2003....all over again! > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > a lot of routers offer a second "guest" SSID nowadays, and dd-wrt, tomato, > and the like have the features as well, linksys institutes a guest SSID that > can only be configured using their configuration application on the E > series, now all they need to do is have some separate and better QoS > settings and we'd be set. for urban centers I like the Fon system best. > > > > On Apr 28, 2011, at 1:21 PM, Matt Fanady wrote: > >> *knocks on wood* I've had no problems to speak of with that kind of thing, >> and I've had mine open since 2002. Must just be an abNormal Heights thing >> ;) >> >> -M@ >> >> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Steve Shapery <[email protected]> wrote: >> I'd be all for it, except when I had my node up my neighbors were seeding >> torrents all day long at my expense. >> >> Disappointingly, I've found that a large percentage of the people out >> there will abuse a free service. >> >> my $0.02. >> >> >> >> >> Matt Fanady wrote: >> > It's a bit more than that, they want to encourage router manufacturers >> > to >> > include tools to allow people to open their AP's whilst still >> > maintaining >> > their security and usability of their private networks. Not a bad idea >> > really. >> > >> > -M@ >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Donald Johnson <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> So you want everyone to just unlock their doors (routers) and allow the >> >> porno types open access so that ICE can just bust everyone. . . NO >> >> THANKS >> >> >> >> >> >> --- On *Thu, 4/28/11, Matt Fanady <[email protected]>* wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Matt Fanady <[email protected]> >> >> Subject: [SCFN] It's 2003....all over again! >> >> To: "SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List" >> >> <[email protected]> >> >> Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 9:32 AM >> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/04/open-wireless-movement >> >> >> >> >> >> "We will need a political and technological "Open Wireless Movement" to >> >> reverse the degradation of this indispensable component of the >> >> Internet's >> >> infrastructure. Part of the task will simply be reminding people that >> >> opening their WiFi is the socially responsible thing to do, and >> >> explaining >> >> that individuals who choose to do so can enjoy the same legal >> >> protections >> >> against liability as any other Internet access >> >> provider.1<https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/04/open-wireless-movement#footnote1_ya0f9zp> >> >> Individuals, >> >> including Bruce >> >> Schneier<http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/01/my_open_wireles.html> >> >> and Cory >> >> Doctorow<http://www.boingboing.net/2008/01/10/why-its-good-to-leav.html>, >> >> have laid some of the groundwork. It's time to spead the message far >> >> and >> >> wide." >> >> >> >> -M@ >> >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List >> >> To unsubscribe, please visit: >> >> http://socalfreenet.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_socalfreenet.org >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List >> >> To unsubscribe, please visit: >> >> http://socalfreenet.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_socalfreenet.org >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List >> > To unsubscribe, please visit: >> > http://socalfreenet.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_socalfreenet.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List >> To unsubscribe, please visit: >> http://socalfreenet.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_socalfreenet.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List >> To unsubscribe, please visit: >> http://socalfreenet.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_socalfreenet.org > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://socalfreenet.org/pipermail/discuss_socalfreenet.org/attachments/20110428/a2e87805/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:18:00 -0700 > From: "Drew" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SCFN] It's 2003....all over again! > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hmmm Roger's comments were discarded......have to fix that. > D > > From:"Roger Bly" <[email protected]> > > To:"SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List" > <[email protected]> > > Date:Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:03 PM (3 hours 9 mins ago) > [1]Show message - [2]Delete this sub-message - [3]Save > copy of sub-message > [4]Show full header > > Yes, we need consumer routers to allow easy setup of public wifi > on a separate isolated subnet like Meraki does. > My Mount Etna park wifi has been wide open (on a separate subnet > than the secure home network) for 6 years now without incident. > We have some occasional people parked on the street late at night > downloading gigabytes, but we are fine with that in the name of > open. The park is now upgraded to Time Warner DOCSIS 3.0 > 20/2mbps with 50/5mbps coming "soon". > [5]http://p2.meraki.com/network/mt-etna-park-freenet > > <political-rant> > The USA is behind on last mile bandwidth. Most of my employees > in West EU have 50/50mbps at home now. This is a competitive > threat. This is key infrastructure and the USA government needs > to be more involved in regulation and support of Internet > infrastructure! > </political-rant> > > Cheers, > Roger Bly > > > On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:09 AM, Matt Fanady wrote: > > It's a bit more than that, they want to encourage router > manufacturers to include tools to allow people to open their > AP's whilst still maintaining their security and usability of > their private networks. Not a bad idea really. > > > > -M@ > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Donald Johnson > <[6][email protected]> wrote: > > So you want everyone to just unlock their doors (routers) and > allow the porno types open access so that ICE can just bust > everyone. . . NO THANKS > --- On Thu, 4/28/11, Matt Fanady <[7][email protected]> > wrote: > > From: Matt Fanady <[8][email protected]> > Subject: [SCFN] It's 2003....all over again! > To: "[9]SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List" > <[10][email protected]> > Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 9:32 AM > > [11]https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/04/open-wireless-movement > > > "We will need a political and technological "Open Wireless > Movement" to reverse the degradation of this indispensable > component of the Internet's infrastructure. Part of the task will > simply be reminding people that opening their WiFi is the > socially responsible thing to do, and explaining that individuals > who choose to do so can enjoy the same legal protections against > liability as any other Internet access > provider.[12]1 Individuals, including [13]Bruce > Schneier and [14]Cory Doctorow, have laid some of the groundwork. > It's time to spead the message far and wide." > > -M@ > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > References > > 1. > file://localhost/tmp/linkstmp/cLAvYy3fpu?MLS=MR-**f3586464u45672*;MSS=;SMB-CF=3586464;SMR-PT=;SMR-UM=f3586464u45672;UDm=49;Ust=3280fb81%21d8ed41a7;MSignal=MR-GA*U-1*f3586464u45672*2 > 2. > file://localhost/tmp/linkstmp/cLAvYy3fpu?MLS=MR-**f3586464u45672*;MSS=;SMB-CF=3586464;SMR-PT=;SMR-UM=f3586464u45672;UDm=49;Ust=3280fb81%21d8ed41a7;MSignal=MR-StripMsgAttachment**2 > 3. > file://localhost/tmp/linkstmp/cLAvYy3fpu?MLS=MR-**f3586464u45672*;MSS=;SMB-CF=3586464;SMR-PT=;SMR-UM=f3586464u45672;UDm=49;Ust=3280fb81%21d8ed41a7;MSignal=MR-DetachMsgs***2 > 4. > file://localhost/tmp/linkstmp/cLAvYy3fpu?MLS=MR-**f3586464u45672*;MSS=;SMB-CF=3586464;SMR-PT=;SMR-UM=f3586464u45672;UDm=49;Ust=3280fb81%21d8ed41a7;MSignal=MR-SH**1 > 5. http://p2.meraki.com/network/mt-etna-park-freenet > 6. > file://localhost/tmp/linkstmp/cLAvYy3fpu?MLS=MR-**f3586464u45672*;MSS=;SMB-CF=3586464;SMR-PT=;SMR-UM=f3586464u45672;UDm=49;Ust=3280fb81%21d8ed41a7;MSignal=MC-FN*U-1*donaldjj%40yahoo.com > 7. > file://localhost/tmp/linkstmp/cLAvYy3fpu?MLS=MR-**f3586464u45672*;MSS=;SMB-CF=3586464;SMR-PT=;SMR-UM=f3586464u45672;UDm=49;Ust=3280fb81%21d8ed41a7;MSignal=MC-FN*U-1*matt%40socalfreenet.org > 8. > file://localhost/tmp/linkstmp/cLAvYy3fpu?MLS=MR-**f3586464u45672*;MSS=;SMB-CF=3586464;SMR-PT=;SMR-UM=f3586464u45672;UDm=49;Ust=3280fb81%21d8ed41a7;MSignal=MC-FN*U-1*matt%40socalfreenet.org > 9. http://socalfreenet.org/ > 10. > file://localhost/tmp/linkstmp/cLAvYy3fpu?MLS=MR-**f3586464u45672*;MSS=;SMB-CF=3586464;SMR-PT=;SMR-UM=f3586464u45672;UDm=49;Ust=3280fb81%21d8ed41a7;MSignal=MC-FN*U-1*discuss%40socalfreenet.org > 11. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/04/open-wireless-movement > 12. > https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/04/open-wireless-movement#footnote1_ya0f9zp > 13. http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/01/my_open_wireles.html > 14. http://www.boingboing.net/2008/01/10/why-its-good-to-leav.html > Drew MacCullough > Community Relations > SoCalFreeNet.Org > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://socalfreenet.org/pipermail/discuss_socalfreenet.org/attachments/20110428/f93b7c31/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List > To unsubscribe, please visit: > http://socalfreenet.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_socalfreenet.org > > End of Discuss Digest, Vol 72, Issue 2 > ************************************** > _______________________________________________ SoCalFreeNet.org General Discussion List To unsubscribe, please visit: http://socalfreenet.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_socalfreenet.org
