Ok I will wait On Dec 11, 2013 2:58 PM, "Steve Radonich IV" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Some of them meet those specs. I want to pick one up for use but have > been holding off until so!e consensus is formed about what to do with them > > --- Original Message --- > > From: "Joshua Csepegi" <[email protected]> > Sent: December 11, 2013 2:53 PM > To: "SYN/HAK discussion list" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting minutes from 2013-12-10 > > I'm looking to make a media server something i may be able to ftp into > to store some videos of other Mechanical proJects I'm worKing on. like a > how to server. > > I need a pc laptop or otherwise that is 2ghz dual core or core duo i have > a 2.5 sata hdd . These laptops i have been hearing so much about do they > meet these specs? > > Sorry if this it's the wrong place just responding to e mail > On Dec 11, 2013 1:57 PM, "Omar Rassi" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >Having one or two people have to vote on what to do with donations... > > I wouldn't call it a vote, its more of a sorting task than a decision > task. > > For example, someone donates a broken welder. Devin pokes at it with a > stick until he magically finds that the piece to fix the other broken > welder we've had. Welder gets fixed, the donated piece is then placed back > in the donations pile. Result is: Welder access is restored to everyone > (who has gone through proper safety training) and the broken donated piece > is still available to those who want to use it in a project. It arrived > broken, was recycled to repair the infrastructure, its still broken and now > available to anyone that can hack it. A bunch of 4 year old cisco switches > arrives, Craig and Chris go through them, half are working. Synhak Inc. > only needs one to complete the networking infrastructure for the PBX > project, another is kept as a spare, the rest are placed back in the hack > pile. One gets fixed and then is placed on craigslist for sale to fund > replacements for the consumables used to make a new workbench in someone > else's project. There's a big picture here that can be circular. > > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:43 AM, alex kot <[email protected]> wrote: > > I agree with this though we would need more maintainers. Having one or > two people have to vote on what to do with donations is kind of limited. > In all honesty when something gets dropped off we should take a picture of > it and email it to [email protected] to discuss what to do with it. We > should get a proposal together for the next meeting. > > > On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:30 AM, Justin Herman <[email protected]> > wrote: > I 2nd the idea Omar has presented. It seems fair and allows the space > to meet its needs so it can complete its mission. > > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Omar Rassi <[email protected]> wrote: > > I couldn't be at the meeting due to a school event with my daughter, my > thoughts on a donation process: > > A quick self-help form for donations should be filled out when dropping > off materials. It should ask things like > > * Would you like a receipt for tax purposes? > ** If yes, send email to treasurer/secretary/appropriate maintainer with > contact info > > * Is there an intended purpose for this donation or is it a free for all? > > * Would you like more info about Synhak and what we do? > > * *Legal Disclaimer about what donating means, i.e. you lose property > rights to the materials donated, it becomes property of Synhak Inc. or > public domain. It may be reduced reused recycled blown up for laughs, etc."* > > *IF* the donation is being given specifically to Synhak Inc. then it > should be off-limits to everyone (member and non-member alike) for a finite > reasonable period of time, (48 hours? 1 Week?) until the appropriate > maintainer (i.e. Devin for workshop related materials, Alex or Craig for > computers, Chris or Craig for server/networking) can look at it and > determine if its salvageable, can be integrated in the infrastructure > available to everyone, or if there is just too much excess of that type be > sold to help close gaps in the budget. Once the time period elapses or the > maintainer has sorted through the donation, its released for everyone > (member and non-member alike). If we just leave everything that makes its > way to space in an open bin, it will quickly become a free for all mad dash > to see who can get to it first. > > This doesn't require a change in powers (the maintainer is doing what > they said they would do, maintain), its a fair process that doesn't single > any one group out. It addresses the needs of both the infrastructure and > the general public. Too many times I've seen people pull money out their > own pockets to pay for heating fuel at the space, a trunk line for the PBX > system, consumable materials, etc. There is enough stuff that makes its way > to Synhak now that we can both get raw material for projects and give > Synhak Inc. extra petty cash to use things that benefit everybody. It would > be nice to if Synhak could sell the processor out of the water damaged IBM > (provided it works) for $30, BAM! Thats a new roll of filament for the 3D > printer, or take half of the working notebooks and BAM! $300 for heating > fuel, wood, fixing the welder, PBX trunk line or a used managed switch so > we can create VLANs, half of the remaining can replace old infrastructure > like the 12 year old computers still chugging along trying to keep up, or > the 7 year old 3D printer computer trying to keep up with 3D slicing and > design. Things that benefit everyone. Or maybe, just maybe, put that into a > moving fund for getting into a larger space like we've been talking about > doing. Space is cluttered and we need money for a bigger place? Why not > craigslist some stuff instead of junking it away! I wanted to do that, I > was trying to make that happen for us as part of the do-acracy, it seems as > though I just ended up pissing off everyone around me with good intentions. > Those are my two cents, I don't really care if anyone reads this or not or > takes it seriously. You guys know where to find me if I'm needed. > > > > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Phong <[email protected]> wrote: > > Howdy, hakkers! > > I've noticed that there was a meeting on 2013-12-10 and that the minutes > are posted. They are visible on the web at > https://synhak.org/wiki/Meetings/2013-12-10. I've also included them in > this mail for reading at your leisure: > > {{Infobox_meeting > |time=7PM > |date=2013-12-10 > |venue=21 West North > |next=Meetings/2013-12-17 > |previous=Meetings/2013-12-3 > }} > > > > = Agenda = > > * '''Note Taker:''' Steve R. > * '''Moderator:''' Devin Wolfe > > == Introduction and Names == > > * Mike - Tech support > * Lee - Got EE from UofA > * Becca - Makes cakes > * Jimmy - Not a member, brother and dad told him about SYNHAK > * Garrett - make steam punk stuff > * Philip - Starting second project, a rear wheel bike rack > * Andy - Mine bitcoins > * Craig - Make phones > * Torrie - Start selling robots > * Steve - taking notes > * Devin - build toy boxes/bench combo > > > == Announcements == > > > * Andy - Made a new fundraising box > ** Devin - Add labels for sepcific donations > > * Torrie - Longest time talking about making robots, talked to some ** > people at office space co-working about selling 3 RGB LED's if > ** enough were made for ambient lighting in architecture > ** Mike - Self contained? Torrie - No, requires power supply > > * Andy bought tables, and sewing room has a nice table, Torrie added ** > adhesive tape measure > > * Devin - 1000' CAT5e cable, and a bunch of shrink tubing > > * Lee - this summer purchade a nice miller tig welder, willing to put ** > on a class, but need to purchase own consumables. Aluminum is not ** hard > to learn if never done before > > * Philip - May have access to 10 -14 fully functioning Desktop ** > computers with keyboards and mouse, with Windows XP 32bit. If ** SYNHAK can > use them we get first shot otherwise will be donated to ** other > non-profits, Dell or HP. Devin/Torrie - Specs will be a ** deciding factor. > Philip - get back when more info is avaliable, > ** though have legitimate COA for Windows XP 32bit > > * Devin - for those interested in Power wheels racing series 10 ** > batteries and a smoke machine in the space now > > * Craig - have a phone system in the works, should be up an running in ** > a week. New phone number and will be getting phones to spread ** around the > space, will have 911 which is registered to the site, ** and voice mail. > Server room redone to support it. Devin - can call ** to see how long > someone will be at the space if you wanted to come ** in outside open hours > if not a member. > > * Torrie - Added last week thursday maybe, new mailing lists for the ** > space. created them for specific channels of discussion, 3 new > ** lists. > * > ** noc - network operations center, to discuss IT issues in the space, ** > ie problems with internet or linux system admin. > * > ** speaks-beureau - for speakers beureau information and discussion. ** > Whole bunch of documentation > * > ** frag - talking about monthly lan party and gaming discussion, more ** > social > * > ** email noc to add mailing lists, and someone will get to it, and it ** > is updated on the wiki page > > * Devin - starting a collection of tools that are surplus to give to ** > CANHAX or hartville hackerspace. If anyone has any extra tools to ** donate > please do, to help them get started. > > * Beth - Becca and Beth started an Etsy to sell products. > > == Membership == > > * Mike Griesacker > **Sponsors: Omar and Devin > ** Reason: "Want to learn, make stuff, and collaborate. Interests are > **Arduino, Raspberry Pi, 3d printing" > * Devin - favorite beer? Yuengling > * Torrie - What projects do you want to work on? Make either remote ** > arduino's or raspberry pi sensors to communicate via e-mail > * Torrie - What can SYN/HAK do for you? Provide a forum to build and ** > develope. > * Devin - What can you do for SYN/HAK? Education classes maybe, not ** > sure yet > * Andy - What industry do you work in? Telecomunications. Andy - Ever ** > heard of electrodata? Not sure maybe tested a meter > * Garrett - was it through the NAVY? No. > * Lee - Are you a serial murderer? No. > * Steve - Do you like chinese food? Yes. > * Lee - Are you a US Citizen? Yes. > * > * Has been approved for membership. YAY!! > > > == Financial Report == > * Funds in bank: $3,127.55 > * Savings: $400.32 > * Cash: $233.43 > * Money from element 14 will soon be transfered to bank. > == Proposals == > > > * NONE > > == Discussion Items == > > > * Devin - Philip brought it up. No specific donation policy. The way ** it > has been is maintainers grab it first to sort. Can always use **more stuff. > * > ** Torrie - Understanding is a guest went to the pile, grabbed a **recent > donation laptop, a member grabbed it from said person and **took the laptop > for SYNHAK with the intent of turning it into a **working laptop for the > space. Problem - person found it in community ** resource for personal > project. Concept of things in pile have ** priority for SYNHAK. > ** If you see something in the pile it should be used for anything and > **by anyone member or not. > * > * Devin - differs, if donated to SYNHAK, should go to SYNHAK first to ** > improve the space. Was just laid there temporarily, no problem with ** > giving things away. > * > * Becca - Is there a way to keep track of donations for specific ** > reasons. Devin - Tape and Sharpie Label. > * Lee - Solution maybe? It has to be earmarked. Devin - putting dates ** > on junk pile with a week or 2 to stay. Junk junk goes out, good ** junk > stays here. Junk outside is fair game to blow up if desired. ** Inside > junk is to be used if possbile before destruction. > * > * Lee - philip has donations for specific reasons, and they should be ** > marked and used as such. Before they're dropped off ask what is ** ** > desired for donations, and be honored. > * > * Torrie - 3 classifications for junk pile > ** 1 - Crappy junk pile, technology recycling. > ** 2 - Hackable objects > ** First 2 piles should be fair game for everybody, and first come ** ** > first serve. > * > ** 3 - Donations that show up specifically for SYNHAK, and propery of > **SYNHAK. > * > * Devin - If you don't ask for receipt when donating then you're out ** of > luck in tax deductions. > * Torrie - Have a checkbox for " I'm ok with this being hacked!" For ** > $500 or less person values it themselves, if over champion > ** appraises it up to $5000 then it has to be appraised. > * > * Becca - Does every donation need to fill out the donation form? No. > * > * Philip - official resolution for initial problem that brought up > ** this issue? Between the people involved to talk it out since there ** > is no official policy as of this moment. Torrie- if mediation is > ** needed just let someone know. Philip - Asking Torrie to mediate. > * > * Andy - Mark items that aren't wanted on the proposal? Devin- Problem ** > is somethings just come in and can't be helped at the moment. > * > * Devin - possibility to deny donations, if there is a reason to do ** > such. > * > * Mark items upon arrival so there is less confusion. > * > * David - Take a photograph of items upon donations of worth, and tag ** > onto donation form. > * > * Mike - If a non-member wants something why no propose at a meeting ** > what it is intended for. Steve - Problem is that members don't get ** > special benefits with materials so it goes against our goals. > * > * Becca - With the processing and looking at an item, if it is only 1 ** > person there to decide, can there be a time limit to have others ** look at > it, maybe 48 hours? Yes, needs more discussion. Torrie - ** disagrees with > this process. Rename junk pile to HACK Pile, since ** junk has a negative > feel to it. Though said change was already ** done. > * > * Beth - Stuff was put in there last monday, going through it tonight, ** > has the maintainer of the pile. Torrie - idea of being a maintainer ** > doesn't give you absolute right and power over whatever is being ** > maintained, just the goto person for questions and information. If ** stuff > is broken or needs maintanance of items. Beth - If people ** want to throw > out junk over a week old please feel free to do so. > * > * Torrie - Sunday chris and Torrie met to discuss bylaws and problems and > came up with some bylaw ammendments. > ** 1 - Defining a conflict of interest > ** 2 - Clause about legal lawsuits, lawyer needs to be called > ** 3 - Ammendment at any given point all the champions are president > ** 4 - Ammendment that any rights not exclusively given to the ** > organization or members is retained by members. > > = End of Meeting = > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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