I'm not sure we need this, but if it does get created perhaps
bureaucracy@could be sent to discuss weekly in digest form so people
aren't out of the
loop but don't have to deal with hourly emails.

Regards,
Andrew l
On Mar 20, 2014 3:26 PM, "alex kot" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Build, bizops, and noc (if the website is down) also affect the entire
> community.  For transparency you can allow anyone to opt-in or out of the
> mail listing, also archive the emails.  Or we can just limit proposals to
> be a no reply and allow all discussion to go into sub topics?
>
>
>   On Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:02 PM, Torrie Fischer <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>  On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:55:24 alex kot wrote:
> > This is more to filter out the noise.  Not everyone cares about these
> topics
> > appearing in their email.  I am ok with [email protected].  Some
> > people care only about events and cool things happening.  Not a 20+
> thread
> > of people trying to figure/argue out what is best for the space.  I am a
> > fan of engineering and if people can fine tune what they want for email,
> I
> > think that is a good thing.
>
> Right, I agree.
>
> However, bureaucracy is something that affect the entire community.
> Proposals
> are a subset of bureaucracy. If a controversial change is brought up and
> the
> only people talking about it are subscribed to bureaucracy@, that leaves
> out a
> lot of folks.
>
> If we want a bureaucracy list, I think we need better mechanisms in place
> for
> enforcing transparency. If someone has a new proposal, everyone needs made
> aware of it. Thats the nature of consensus: everyone consents to it.
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:19 PM, Torrie Fischer
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:50:57 alex kot wrote:
> > > The Problem: While trying to fine tune our polices at the
> > > space, discussion topics may look bad for non-members.
> > > The Solution: I propose creating a "[email protected]" and
> > > direct
> > > all traffic of policies to that email.
> >
> > I prefer that we stop worrying so much about policy and instead focus on
> > building a hacker space.
> >
> > Things we don't need:
> >
> > * A formal proposal for everything
> > * Arguments about whether or not things happened in the past
> > * The bureaucracy of recording votes
> > * Using noisy governance mechanisms to replace competency based
> evaluations
> > * A drug policy
> > * Committees to figure out if we're building servers "right"
> > * Committees to build a floor plan
> > * Selling out to corporate benefit instead of just giving more money
> > * Looking at every situation with "Are we going to be liable for
> something?"
> > * Rules for who is and isn't allowed to hack on stuff based on having the
> > time and money to become a member
> > * An "official" logo
> >
> > Those are just a few of the things I know of in the last two years that
> have
> > distracted all of us from actually building SYNHAK, though all but two
> have
> > occurred in the last three months.
> >
> > If it were to be created though, I'd prefer the name
> [email protected]
> > or even [email protected] since thats really what it
> is.
>
>
>
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