Minutes are up again as of last night. Here's a copy:
{{Infobox_meeting
|time=7PM
|date=2014-03-25
|venue=48 South Summit
|next=Meetings/2014-4-1
|previous=Meetings/2014-3-18
}}
= Agenda =
* '''Note Taker:''' Chrystin
* '''Moderator:''' Torrie
== Introduction and Names ==
* Invite a knowledgeable member to explain what SYNHAK is about, if
anyone new is present:
<blockquote>SYNHAK is an infrastructure provider for people who want to
make things. SYNHAK provides space, tools, and infrastructure to help
others learn new skills and create cool things. SYNHAK exists through and
depends on membership dues, donations, and the hard work of individuals
such as ourselves. Our code of conduct is "Be excellent to each
other."</blockquote>
* Round of introductions
** What is your name?
** What do you do?
** If this is your first time, how did you hear about SYNHAK?
* Dave - amateur historian, videographer
Jimmy - UA student, CS major, making an MPD client for jukebox
Tim - design control systems for packaging machines
Mike - makes stew
Martha - walks and trains dogs
Becca - makes bread
Steve - likes Mike's stew, plays old school video games
Philip - old, lots of time, tinkerer
Frank - retired from polymer industry
G - software engineer
Chris - making the other half of a bicycle tag-along/tow behind
Rich - electronics, computers
Chris - asst admin/IT guy
Devon - machinist, makes swords
Don - writer, learned about Synhak from ABJ
Andy - builds pinball machines
Jeff- healthcare, technology, computers
Alex - IT specialist
Andrew - sponsors Jimmy
Robert - first timer, works at Akron water supply, biology,
programming/electronics
Chrystin - ESL teacher, invited by Andy
Torrie - facilitates
Paul - recently not attending
== Announcements ==
* Any cool new projects? Something you want everyone to know?
Maker faire, Saturday, 10-5, Cleveland, 100 exhibitors, make and take
activities, lots of kids, carpool?
Notacon, April 10-13, starts on a Thursday (=free day), main talks start
on Friday, Friday and Saturday are presentation days
April 19th, Greater Akron Robotics Club, next mtg - a good time!
Cool retro air gauge will be changed into a pneumatic speedometer
Speaker's Bureau here tomorrow, Amazon web services/synhak.org, see how
to build it and all the things that run on the servers - 8pm
April 9, Alex's pre-pre-talk, wireless networks
Startup dinner, starts at 6
* Any happenings that people should be aware of?
== Membership ==
* Read off any names open for application
Jimmy - "to develop software at Synhak and to be able to use the network
for testing. Improve Synhak website."
* Anyone eligible should:
** Introduce yourself
** Answer any questions
What makes you happy? Socializing, working on things
How can you benefit Synhak? Make a client for the Jukebox/touchscreen
interface
How can Synhak benefit you (in Soviet Russia...lol)? Allows me to test
things that I can't do otherwise; learned about welding from the class
the other day
What year are you in school? sophomore
Favorite class? CS
Unusual talents outside of computers? No, not exactly. More "jack" than a
master.
Favorite part of Synhak? The class that was done before, things like that
Favorite language? "The one with all the clicking"
How do you get a key? Go on the wiki, learn how to do it, and follow the
instructions
Nintendo or Sega? Nintendo
What kind of car do you drive? Toyota Camry, 1996
Preferred OS? Linux
In the short-term, what project do you wish to complete here? The touch
interface for the jukebox
Cookies or cupcakes? Cookies
** Leave the area
* Members present should reach consensus on whether or not they join
* Applicants may return
== Financial Report ==
* Funds in bank: $18,936.27
Accts receivable: $2,515.20
Liabilities: $2,866.26
Total Liabilities and Equity: $15,610.27
Budget, about $30 left in general operating budget for the month
== Proposals ==
* Check the page at [[Proposals/Open]].
Andy - wood to finish shelves in basement, release funds for this
comments: donate tarps for temporary walls on both ends?
solution for walls? do measurements to determine how much material is
actually needed, probably get it delivered here b/c it will be large qty
needed
fire-proof drywall behind welding area?
roll around tarps to square off welding areas?
fire-resistant drywall to meet code
will walls be built all the way to the ceiling?
steel studs
definition of a wall? wall vs dividers, w/purpose of enclosing dust, etc.
does it make sense to have it closed off? yes, electronics and dust don't
mix, concern about breathing, hearing, etc.
Andy should come up with a quick price list and bring it up to membership
Build a room w/2 doors, enclosed room for the shop, consider building a
10 foot room, use loft area as storage
concern about loft storage: this significantly increases the cost and
work, must do load analysis, figure out how many lbs/sq ft you want to
have, very expensive
how fast would walls get put up? 2 months? probably just a weekend
how many people would be necessary over a w/e for this? 2-5??
recommendation: we should put up double doors facing the outdoor garage
door, single door lead in outside somewhere
build shelving on the walls?
machine shop walls should be more permanent/movable walls are out
shelving on the inside requires anchoring
we still need to see what kind we need/how big it will be
take into consideration your future plans when planning the wall
how much electrical distribution will we do in these walls, facing in and
out? cat 5, running network, thoughts? needs to be included in the budget
cat 5 - 125 ft box for about $110(?), email about this cost?
heating, ventilation?
tap into the existing vent, bring in two flex 5-6inch aluminum hoses and
drop them into a couple registers, unless we want to top off the top of
the stack
landlord care about the furnace? someone should ask
shelving at Ollie's, heavy duty plastic shelving there might work
agreed that a budget for the wall should be worked on, work needs to be
delegated
Dave - price out electrical boxes
someone needs to figure out dimensions of this, economical solution,
ductwork, electrical constraints; budget constraint: $15k, but be
reasonable! That's the absolute upper limit
who's going to take the lead? Andy, will talk to people, come up with a
number for next week
Proposal #2: all proposals have to be seconded by 2 members in good
standing
Jimmy - doesn't seem necessary; is it a non-issue?
You should be able to get support from 2 members so that it will really
be able to be supported by the membership
Maybe a good idea - someone who's really married to their proposal can
filibuster it
Good litmus test, if 2 can accept it, then it might be mature enough to
bring it to the group, saves group time
last spring, this was discussed -- in order to actually have a proposal,
you had to have wording that you agreed on/was logical/coherent
How do you go about garnering your two supporters?
3 people said they would sponsor this
this might clear up some procedural confusion, iron it out before the
proposal is brought up
How to mitigate the perceived barrier of entry to submitting a proposal,
maybe with a new person?
you should be able to talk to at least two people
The idea should be able to stand by itself, 2 people would give enough
feedback to see if it's workable
Can ask at meetings/public forums if something's a good/bad idea
Significant issues?
Question: If someone steps up to second something, how do we determine if
someone is in good standing?
Is 2 too many? Maybe we only need one instead of 2 "in the spirit of do-
ocracy"
In do-ocracy, you have to get consensus anyway
Philip - I know I can get five people to support my putting in an 8-
person hot tub, one person will block it, and we'll stall for weeks
The point is, blocking is still in place
Members in good standing get a gold star at the beginning of every mtg
How do you know you're a good member?
Devon - this doesn't address blocking; just makes it so that something
must be a "sort of" good idea before it's presented
Philip - If a proposal is brought up, there's always an oddball who's
going to block it
Same person can't block twice? Maybe you need more than one person to
block?
There's already a mechanism in place to keep the blocking from getting
out of hand
Steve - These are 2 different things that we need to address separately
Jimmy - they're intertwined, basically the same issue
Part of blocking should require an explanation of why, just like a
proposal requires explanation; having a format reduces the likelihood of
miscommunication
Devon - the point of this is just so that we don't have
proposals/filibustering that goes on for weeks on end; encourages good
ideas over frivolous ones
Chris - problem with barrier to blocking; the point of consensus is that
everyone agrees with it
Is this a barrier to introduction? Maybe more of a filter
If you can't get two people, bring it up as a discussion item so you can
build support/interest
Jimmy - Can we just start a thread on the discussion list?
Devon - It's just about getting two people to support it publicly
Are there restrictions to who can second? No, as long as they're members
in good standing
What's a way to actually implement this?
Issue: just proving you're in good standing? There's no public list --
you've paid your dues, you're actually a member (straightforward)
Serious moral reservations? OK to discuss on mailing list?
#3: from last week: Tim wants to get a key to help with Greater Akron
Robotics Club
Will you rob us? No. Thus far, I've brought more here than I've taken
away.
Approved!
#4: Philip wants a key so he can open/close Fridays from 6-10 pm, access
coffee pot and restrooms when he's downtown, work on his projects any
time?
Will you rob us? Second Tuesday of next week...with members in good
standing (=
We should have a diagram of the building of lights that need turned
on/off when opening/closing
Will be discussed again next week
--What about a diagram?
comments about it being open on Friday night? everyone likes it being
open as much as possible
Locking out procedure? Omar - we had one, but it didn't work that well.
Everyone ignored it. Step-by-step full-page list, would need to be
shorter to be effective in the future.
Chris - authored said list, can simplify it.
Sounding like a do-ocratic item. Discuss outside the mtg.
#5: Alex sent 2 on the mailing list. 1) Do a hackathon once in awhile,
1st wk of every mo., someone must propose a project
Devon supports
More? Discuss more on the list, and just go for it
opposition to calling it "official Synhak" hackathon?
Propose it the week before in the meeting and putting it together
Do we provide funds, materials, etc? Strictly do-ocratic
Nebulous --> discuss it on the mailing list
2) Instead of having just a bunch of threads to people who want to see
what Synhak's about, etc., boards have become filled with policy
discussions. Let's separate member/policy issues into a different place.
Looks bad to the general public.
Dave agrees, clogs up website to general public
This would be filtered onto a separate channel, so you only have to see
this if you want to.
Maybe should be able to opt-out.
How about using "Members" for this? That excludes non-members from seeing
it. It should be open to them if they want.
Mike - Maybe non-members should be excluded b/c arguments get heated and
might put non-members off.
re: Opt-in/opt-out, members should be req'd to subscribe
associate memberships could opt-in?
Omar - in policy-making, it's helpful to get outside perspectives, so
associate members should be included; agrees that "in-fighting" can be
misperceived by non-members, but excluding people isn't good either.
Non-members should be able to view the discussion, but not participate
Open vs. closed bureacracy forum?
Becca - your membership is important during concensus, but irrelevant for
discussion
Alex - we should keep it open to the public; there's already a place for
us to discuss members-only info
We're leaning toward, you can subscribe to it if you really want to
Jimmy - If it's a mailing list, make it VERY clear that's it's a
bureaucracy discussion
Dave - give a big disclaimer, tab, letting people know they're viewing
this/can view it
Include a tagline so people know how to unsubscribe at the bottom of
every post
Formal wording proposal? Make a public mailing list for bureaucracy
discussion, members are auto subscribed, opt-in/opt-out options
d idea.
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