Sorry for the bold, my browser was freaking out while I composed that.
Ugh

regards,
Andrew L


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 9:08 PM, a l <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> *I realize you want to streamline how things operate at SynHak, and I
> encourage that. However there is already a separate discuss thread(*
> [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Blocking of a Proposal/Membership Application)
> where you bring up this proposal. Which was started after you  brought it
> up in the other thread([SH-Discuss] Proposal: Consensus with Limited
> Blocking) discussing how best to deal with blocking and decision making.
>
> I would request, again, that discussion of a given
> topic/proposal/alternate wording to solve the same problem remain in one
> thread. It becomes difficult to remember who brought up issues or suggested
> revisions.
>  Additionally
> *, Torrie voiced concerns/reservations about your suggestions when they
> were initially brought up. *
> >
> "Bylaws don't say anything about proposals. Sure they say we've got the
> right
> to vote on membership applications, but I'm no longer comfortable with that
> route. The questions asked interview process have the possibility of
> having no
> real impact.
>
> I imagine asking someone questions and finding out that they're a raging
> transphobe, but the majority of the people present at the meeting who fail
> to
> understand the gravity of my concerns think "haha, they're funny".
>
> I certainly would not be comfortable with their membership without being
> able
> to block and then further getting to know them.
> I'm still not convinced that voting is an effective method of getting the
> support of everyone.
>
> Again, if 50% support a decision for something such as "replacing the
> ceiling
> in the palm room" (you know, the crappy half), 49% vote against it, and the
> only people able or willing to invest any effort into replacing the ceiling
> and seeing the job through vote against it, how does the ceiling get
> replaced?
>
> Again, sorry for a second reply; I should start using drafts...
>
> I think that I understand the concerns of choosing Voting over Consensus,
> and
> that it boils down to a perception that we need to make decisions quickly.
>
> I feel that it is in SYNHAK's best interest to make high quality decisions
> that practically everyone can support instead of fast decisions that only
> some
> people can support. There is absolutely nothing keeping a member from
> leaving
> if they feel that the space is in a rush to ignore their concerns.
>
> A suggestion or list of suggestions of when these quick decisions are
> needed
> would help me understand better."  ---Torrie
>
>
> regards,
> Andrew L
>
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