Hola *,

por si a alguien le interesa y no está en esta lista de marketing. Es un
mensaje de Italo Vignoli, desde TDF, aclarando que Alexandro no está en
TDF. Literalmente dice "Alexandro has tried to get involved, but has not
managed to get involved". Por si alguien necesita traducción, dice que
"Alexandro intentó involucrarse [en TDF] pero no lo consiguió".

Quizás ahora se entiende un poco más porque oooES surge cuando surge.
Porque recordemos que primero nos querían migrar a todos a TDF, y
posteriormente apareció el proyecto oooES para "poder ayudar a los
usuarios de todos los productos".

Por cierto, tiene sarcasmo que en TDF las listas en español no estén
secuestradas a oooES y en OOo sí.

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists#Spanish

http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html

¿Igual es porque los que manejan oooES manejan como les da la gana la
web de OOo en español, pero no les han dado acceso a la de TDF?

Un saludo a todos,

Ramon

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [marketing] Marketing budget - SCALEx9
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 02:23:06 +0100
From: Italo Vignoli <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: Ramon Sole <[email protected]>
CC: [email protected], [email protected]
References: <[email protected]>
<[email protected]> <[email protected]>
<[email protected]>

On 12/21/2010 12:21 AM, Ramon Sole wrote:

> well, documentfoundation.es was registered by Alexandro, and he stated
> himself in the OpenOffice.org Spanish lists he was in thight
> relationship with the TDF about that domain.

We have registered only the international domains for TDF, while we have
registered the national domains for LibreOffice (because it makes sense
to have local product web sites). Alexandro has tried to get involved,
but has not managed to get involved. Unfortunately, Internet rules allow
some mess, and the registration of the web site is part of this mess.

> If you can read a little Spanish you will find interested that message,
> about a (one more) discussion with Alexandro and his involvement in TDF
> (regarding the documentfoundation.es domain that time) while keeping, in
> OpenOffice.org, the Spanish NLP leadership.
>
> http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=9186
>
> Alexandro states "Yo hablo directamente con el webmaster de
> DocumentFoundation.org --  Florian Effemberg". It translates to "I talk
> directly to the webmaster of DocumentFoundation.org --  Florian Effemberg"
>
> So I inferred Alexandro was involved with TDF, at least in some way,
> just because he himself stated it. If not, sorry for my mistake.

I can definitely read Spanish (I'm Italian, and in addition I speak a
little Spanish). Everyone in the OOo community knows Florian, so it's
easy to say that you speak with him. But if you look at TDF web site,
you will realize who are the people behind the project.

> And I agree, the mess concerns just the OpenOffice.org Spanish
> Community. I apologize for involving TDF on it and I thank you for your
> message.

The mess, unfortunately, refers to the entire Spanish speaking
community, because the situation risks to make it under represented in
every free software project.

> BTW, if Alexandro has no relationship with TDF then you have a problem
> with the domain documentfoundation.es, it has been kidnapped. See below.

This is a minor problem. We own the trademark, and no one can use the
trademark unless authorized by TDF. A domani without a chance of being
associated with a trademark is just empty.

-- 
Italo Vignoli
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