Thanks everyone for your comments and links to other resources.  It's
provided some very good reading on the topic, and some great insight.
 

Paul Morton   



-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charlie Arehart
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: CAPTCHA Effectiveness


This subject, of whether one should worry about someone trying to break a
captcha on your own site, is something I blogged about:

        Captchas: making them simpler, and dialing down the angst against
them
        
<http://carehart.org/blog/client/index.cfm/2006/8/17/the_angst_against_captc
has>

I was making the point (which may address some of your concerns Paul) that
the default captcha used by LylaCaptcha, which underlies BlogCFC, was just
more complicated than it needed to be (which could be hurting bloggers whose
sites were being protected by it).  As I said there, my blog is not a bank,
so I don't need to worry about people "breaking in" to leave me a spam
comment. It's just not worth it to them. I just felt the captcha could be
simplified without grave risk, based on the arguments in the entry above:

        Simplifying the captcha graphic in Lyla Captcha (and BlogCFC)
        
<http://carehart.org/blog/client/index.cfm/2006/8/17/simplifying_lyla_in_blo
gcfc>

I used the analogy of putting on a screen door versus a double-key deadbolt.

It seems my arguments made sense. Besides the favorable comments, soon after
those entries, Ray changed the default in BlogCFC to use the simpler captcha
I advocated. 

But for those using an older version, I offer the XML file to update it at:

        Want to simplify your Blogcfc (or other Lyla-based) captcha? Here's
the XML file.
        
<http://carehart.org/blog/client/index.cfm/2006/10/7/lyla_captcha_simplified
_xml_file>

As usual, my answer is more than you asked, Paul, but I hope it's helpful to
you and others.

/Charlie
http://www.carehart.org/blog/  

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Morton
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: CAPTCHA Effectiveness

Thanks for the quick response Dean.  
I guess if you paid someone to fill out the forms manually, there is really
no way to stop it, short of taking the form off line.

Paul Morton   



-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:01 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: CAPTCHA Effectiveness


CAPTCHA is easy to bypass, in general.  If there is enough value you can do
it programatically or pay poor people in developing countries to manually
bypass CAPTCHA devices.

-dhs


Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Free speech exercised both individually and through a free press, is a
necessity in any country where people are themselves free."
     -- Theodore Roosevelt, 1918


On Feb 28, 2007, at 12:35 PM, Paul Morton wrote:

> Sorry about the off topic post, but I'm curious as to how effective
> people have found CAPTCHA at stopping, or at least slowing down the 
> SPAM form hijacking on public pages?
>
> I have little experience on public sites as most of my development is
> on intranet sites.
>
> Paul Morton
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