Even taking my time would not have worked yesterday. It simply went ahead with 
both installs without giving me an opportunity to say No even if I had waited 
all day. If even went so far as to install McAfee before it did Flash. And 
during this process there was no Cancel button anywhere on the screen.

Peyton




________________________________
From: John Mason <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, March 14, 2012 9:36:07 AM
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Unconscionable Adobe Behavior

They use the promote Google toolbar for several years, it's simply     McAfee 
now. It's always a good idea to take your time when     installing something on 
your computer. 


John



On 3/14/12 9:31 AM, Clint Willard wrote: 
Ah ha. I disabled Flash in FF and made it ask me to install         Flash. It 
does take you to the Adobe site to install Flash and         it does "ask" if 
you want to install McAfee with a check box         defaulted to checked. 
Simply 
uncheck it. Your working too fast         man, slow down and notice the check 
boxes, it's standard         practice. But yes, it's the first time I noticed 
the McAfee         thing, doesn't bother me though.
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>Clint Willard  
>Senior ColdFusion Programmer Analyst
>[email protected]
>
>
>
>On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Andrew         Powell <[email protected]> 
>wrote:
>
>I think you're getting a bit             too worked up.  Simply uninstall it 
>and 
>move on.  Obviously             it bothered you enough to craft an email about 
>it, but is it             really a big deal?  Just uninstall McAfee and be 
>done 
>with             it.   
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Mar 14, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Peyton Todd wrote:
>>
>>The website is                             the one at the url below:
>>>
>>>http://www.kodakgallery.com/gallery/creativeapps/slideShow/Main.jsp;jsessionid=F0820D54374464EDF158A9C6740AB907.ecom303_main?sourceId=533754321803&cm_mmc=Share-_-Personal-_-Email-_-Sharee-_-Images&token=7319175931105%3A201251901&_requestid=122667
>>>
>>>
>>>And if it matters, the browser I was using                             in 
>>>Firefox. But do either of these things                             matter? 
>>>Can I 
>>>not assume they were merely                             passing the ball to 
>>>Adobe? Certainly the                             look and feel of the 
>>>installation windows                             were unmistakeably the 
>>>Adobe 
>>>style!
>>>
>>>Peyton
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
________________________________
From: Clint                                   Willard <[email protected]>
>>>To: [email protected]
>>>Sent: Wed,                                   March 14, 2012 8:18:58 AM
>>>Subject: Re:                                   [ACFUG Discuss] 
>>>Unconscionable 
>>>Adobe                                   Behavior
>>>
>>>
>>>"Yesterday I                                     went to a website" - What 
>>>web 
>>>site?                                     Did it take you to Adobe for real. 
>>>                                    
>>>It seem possible for someone to make                                     an 
>>>installer with flash to include a                                     copy 
>>>of 
>>>something else, not sure. If                                     so, it 
>>>probably 
>>>has an affiliate                                     tracking attached to 
>>>make 
>>>them money                                     when you "hopefully" buy it. 
>>>If 
>>>"a                                     website" tells you that you need      
>>>                               
>>>Flash, then get it from a trusted                                     source 
>>>like Adobe, especially if it                                     doesn't 
>>>look 
>>>right. If this is not                                     the case you 
>>>should be 
>>>more specific                                     in your complaint. 
>>>Personally 
>>>I've                                     never had a Flash install include   
>>>                                  
>>>anything, let alone ask if you want                                     
>>>anything 
>>>else that I can remember.
>>>
>>>Clint                                           Willard 
>>>Senior                                           ColdFusion Programmer 
Analyst
>>>[email protected]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On                                   Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:06 AM, Peyton    
>>>                               
>>>Todd <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hello                                           all,
>>>>
>>>>Can anyone please instruct me                                           on 
>>>>how 
>>>>best to complain to                                           Adobe about a 
>>>>loathsome                                           practice I have just    
>>>>                                       
>>>>experienced? (Or perhaps, as                                           
>>>>their 
>>>>official representative,                                           you, 
>>>>Josh, 
>>>>can do this for                                           me?)
>>>>
>>>>Yesterday I went to a website,                                           
>>>>and was 
>>>>told I had to download                                           the latest 
>>>>version of Flash                                           Player, which I 
>>>>agreed to do,                                           whereupon I found 
>>>>McAfee                                           
>>>>Security program being                                           installed 
>>>>at 
>>>>the same time.                                           The previous 
>>>>practice 
>>>>was bad                                           enough (in fact, already  
>>>>                                         
>>>>despicable): one had to notice                                           
>>>>that 
>>>>the check box for                                           agreeing to 
>>>>download 
>>>>McAfee                                           was already defaulted to 
>>>>Yes,                                           
>>>>and explicitly un-check it to                                           
>>>>prevent 
>>>>this from happening.                                           Now, 
>>>>however, it 
>>>>simply                                           installs McAfee without    
>>>>                                       
>>>>warning, and without giving                                           one 
>>>>any 
>>>>other option.
>>>>
>>>>I had thought Adobe was a good                                           
>>>>company. But surely all will                                           
>>>>agree 
>>>>that this is a                                           disgusting 
>>>>practice 
>>>>truly                                           beneath contempt, 
>>>>perpetrated                                           
>>>>by scumbag scoundrels who                                           should 
>>>>be 
>>>>lined up before a                                           firing squad 
>>>>immediately.
>>>>
>>>>Peyton
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