simo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2007-11-22 at 15:28 +0000, MJ Ray wrote: > > simo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Of course any requirements can be spelt as a restriction from the point > > > of view of the distributor, but the point of view of the GPL is to > > > protect *user*'s freedom not distributors freedom. > > > > User and distributor are not two distinct or identical groups with > > free software. > > And how that matters?
You can't protect the freedom of one while denying the same freedom to the other in any sensible way. > If I own a shop, and but from my own shop, does it matter if I own it? > Consumer, tax and other laws apply even to what I sell myself in that > case. Both and separately as a consumer and as a vendor. > When you talk legal matter the role you play is important. > > When you tal 4 freedoms the recipient is important. The role of > distributor has to obey the requirements. The users enjoys the freedoms. I suspect I don't understand the broken English above, nor the point it's trying to make. It looks like it's trying to make the same point I was making, that everyone might be a shop-owner, but I doubt that. [...] > You keep trying to find FSF at fault, I don't need to try. I just keep finding bugs in normal operation. Maybe I'm just unlucky. It could get pretty depressing, if I were that way inclined. > you are biased, and you do not recognized humans can commit errors. I recognise that - I suggested that apologising and correcting errors would be good. However, some of the humans in FSF seem to be regarded as incapable of errors. If they make a mistake, it seems to be claimed as either a mistake in whatever contradicts their latest statement instead (which is then updated), or in the information they were given, or something like that. > [...] That said I never found the FSF betray the core values or > change "the scriptures" to match leaders positions. [...] You'll never find it if you refuse to look for it and deny it when you see it. Elevating their leaders to writers of "scriptures" is madness - you do that, then call me an extremist? Bizarre! > But many others don't see this shift, so you are either claiming that > *you* are the holder of the truth or that these other people are part of > a conspiracy to change FSF core values. I have some concerns about its operations, but I don't think there's a conspiracy. I do think the core values have changed over time, without widespread hacker agreement, and I think that's a problem. > [...] Unfortunately, nobody can change > your beliefs, because beliefs are not facts. It's like religion and[...] Oh, it's dead easy to change my beliefs: explain *why* I'm wrong. It's not religion: in God we trust - all others bring data. -- MJ Ray http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html tel:+44-844-4437-237 - Webmaster-developer, statistician, sysadmin, online shop builder, consumer and workers co-operative member http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ - Writing on koha, debian, sat TV, Kewstoke http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list [email protected] https://mail.fsfeurope.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
