sam.liddicott wrote: > > To me whether or not iceweasel should support non-free flash is > another incarnation of the older question: Should Stallman have used > a non-free compiler to develop gcc? The answer NOW is "yes" because > it clearly DID lead to more freedom,
You are comparing apples and oranges. RMS and other GNU developers used non-free software in the beginning because there was no way to solve the circular chicken-and-egg problem. Once GCC managed to compile itself, GCC was used. The same can be said to a limited extent for other essential packages, too. You can think of this like using the prison's tools to build a ladder in order to escape from it. The whole development history of GNU is just that -- replacing one non-free star with a free one. Sometimes, to build the next piece you really need other non-free tools, so the only way to continue the effort is to resort to using them, at least temporarily. TTBOMK, this did not happen since the 80's when all the important parts of the toolchain already had free replacements. There is no reason or justification whatsoever to use non-free software now, especially based on this historical "argument". We're out of prison for more than 15 years now, and we have the free tools to build whatever we need, rescuing those folks who still wish to spend their life (partially or not) in the cyber-jail. Using the proprietary Flash plugin cannot possibly lead to such an escape, on the opposite -- you are only incresing the adoption and dependency on this format, perhaps even pressuring your friends. It is also self-explanatory that using a non-free flash player cannot help a free player to automagically appear from the mist, or to become technically better if it already exists. Reinhard Mueller wrote: > Am Freitag, den 31.10.2008, 10:57 +0100 schrieb Andreas K. Foerster: > > We are - at least I am - talking about the freedom of choice for > > the users! The question here is to teach users to treat only freedom as a valid choice. Becoming a digital slave should not be an option. You can surely install all kinds of non-free plugins/extensions with IceCat (as you can install many non-free packages on a GNU system) -- but what's the point in using it then? > Somebody who has to install and use the proprietary flash player to > view content (because, for example, gnash isn't able yet to display > it) does *not* have the freedom of choice. Sure he has. He has the choice *not* to install and use that proprietary flash player. I am still alive after making this choice, so it works. _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list [email protected] https://mail.fsfeurope.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
