Hi Hugo, hi everyone, On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 13:30, Hugo Roy <[email protected]> wrote: > Le lundi 27 février 2012 à 13:14 +0100, Myriam Schweingruber a écrit : >> Hi all, > > Hi Myriam, > > Maybe this would be best addressed with [email protected] so that > everyone can participate.
Including discussion, you are right, that should have been my first target list :) > >> today I came across this discussion thread: >> >> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=99425 >> >> The arguments the users gives in his reply seem quite wrong to me, but >> I have a serious cold currently and I struggle to write up something >> that makes good sense. It would be nice if somebody could reply from >> the "KDE is an associated organisation to the FSFE" POV. I know quite >> a few of us use KDE and are certainly better than me in arguing in >> that thread :) > > I don't know if saying KDE is associated to the FSFE would really help. > After all, KDE prefers the GPL not because FSFE told them so, but > because they have a right and a benefit to do that :) I totally agree on that. But if the KDE is actually an associate organisation it is because the KDE Community adheres to the same principles about Free Software. But as I said, I have some difficulties in formulating a good answer. I do agree with you that his reasoning is seriously flawed and I think this needs to be corrected, hence my mail :) > > Anyway, looking quickly at the answer, some things are factually and > legally wrong. Here's my NSHO (not-so-humble-opinion) > >> The relicensing will give much benefit to the small project like Haiku >> (operating system) who believe to licensed their OS with permissive >> license. GPL will hamper their objective, because combining Haiku and >> KDE can risk future objective of Haiku just because the entire >> combination must be relicensed under GPL. > > I know personally a Haiku developer. I never heard of such things and > anyway, since Haiku already has its own custom DE, etc. this does not > make a lot of sense factually. I've asked the haiku developer for more > details on that. > > Legally combining Haiku with KDE would not mean "the entire combination > must be relicensed under GPL." That's totally outside the reach of GPL's > copyleft. > >> So I think the best solution for that is LGPL (I even didn't recommend >> permissive license). This is a solution that satisfies those who wish >> to produce free software, and also those producing proprietary >> software or having different goal. > > I'd say the opposite: it's a solution that will probably satisfy no one. > >> The free software is still free, and the derivative still get back to >> the community. But this is give more freedom to the developers to >> treat their own implementation as they wish (free as freedom ;) ). > > So it gives more freedom to some developers to take away freedom from > the users (i.e. also from other developers) which is exactly against the > concept of "getting back to the community." > >> GPL will limit this freedom, because even with some other free >> software GPL, still have compatibility issues. > > Saying that GPL limits freedom is totally untrue. The GPL gives more > rights than copyright law ever gives to users (restricting freedom would > mean to give less rights); and the GPL safeguards rights of users > compared to non-copyleft licenses, thus giving more freedom to everyone. > >> We can see by ourself even the free software still need proprietary >> software. Device driver, flash, codec, etc. Freedom of software is >> very important, but the usefulness of software is much more important. >> Linux without binary bloob is useless. Distro without proprietary >> codec cannot playback our favorite movie. > > That doesn't make any sense to me. Thanks a lot for your input :) Regards, Myriam > -- > Hugo Roy im: [email protected] > French Coordinator mobile: +33.6 0874 1341 > > The Free Software Foundation Europe works to create general > understanding and support for software freedom in politics, law, > business and society. Become a Fellow http://www.fsfe.org/join > > La Free Software Foundation Europe œuvre à la compréhension et au > soutien de la liberté logicielle en politique, en droit, en économie et > en société. Rejoignez la Fellowship http://www.fsfe.org/join -- Protect your freedom and join the Fellowship of FSFE: http://www.fsfe.org Please don't send me proprietary file formats, use ISO standard ODF instead (ISO/IEC 26300) _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list [email protected] https://mail.fsfeurope.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
