I vote for Option 3.
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 2:00 PM, <[email protected]>wrote: > Send discussion mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.contribs.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of discussion digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: REQUEST FOR VOTE: SME Project Leadership (Michael Dittmer) > 2. Re: REQUEST FOR VOTE: SME Project Leadership (Garth Kirkwood) > 3. Re: REQUEST FOR VOTE: SME Project Leadership (Tony Keane) > 4. Koozali Foundation, Inc Board Members (Tony Keane) > 5. Re: [devinfo] REQUEST FOR VOTE: SME Project Leadership > (Jaco Bongers) > 6. Re: Koozali Foundation, Inc Board Members (Gavin Weight) > 7. Re: [devinfo] REQUEST FOR VOTE: SME Project Leadership (Fred) > 8. Re: REQUEST FOR VOTE: SME Project Leadership > (Michael Doerner - TechnologyWise) > 9. Re: Koozali Foundation, Inc Board Members (Tony Keane) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 09:53:58 +1200 > From: "Michael Dittmer" <[email protected]> > To: "Greg Zartman" <[email protected]>, > <[email protected]>, "SME DevList" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [discussion] REQUEST FOR VOTE: SME Project Leadership > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi All > > > > I'm all for Option Three - There really isn't any other choice if we > want to see SME continue to live and breathe and have more releases. I > think the new current structure is doing a good job and will see us > right long into the future. > > > > Regards > > > > Michael > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg Zartman > Sent: Saturday, 29 June 2013 5:11 p.m. > To: [email protected]; SME DevList > Subject: [discussion] REQUEST FOR VOTE: SME Project Leadership > > > > It appears that there are some who feel the current Koozali Foundation > and Board of Directors is illegitimate and has no community backing > because it was formed instead of officially voted in. The current > Foundation was formed under the direction of a US licensed attorney and > follows standard Non-Profit Organization practices and guidelines. > > All organizations need some kind of leadership in order to make > decisions for the organization; otherwise, the organization basically > goes nowhere. The intention of all of those who have been working on > this effort was and is to bring order to disorder and help grow the SME > project and make it better. This is it - no agenda beyond that. Those > on the current board essentially volunteered. > > Directly to the point: Since there are those who think the organization > that was formed over the last six months is illegitimate because it > wasn't voted on, let's vote. There are many people putting in a lot of > their own personal time and money to build the current organizational > structure. If this isn't what the community wants, then please let's > put an end to it and stop wasting the time of those putting in the time > and money to make the organization. > > Please don't just pass this message by. Vote on it so that we can move > forward in a productive fashion without even the implication of > illegitimacy, one way or the other. > > Here are the options I see: > > Option 1: Dis-ban the current board and foundation and go back to the > status quo as of six months ago. > > Option 2: Keep the current Foundation, but elect a new board of > directors. > > Option 3: Keep the current Foundation and board of directors. > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.contribs.org/pipermail/discussion/attachments/20130630/94d32e02/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 11:32:06 +1000 > From: Garth Kirkwood <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [discussion] REQUEST FOR VOTE: SME Project Leadership > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > I personally vote for option 3. > > With these other people, I have no problem with them voicing their > opinions however I have not seen any other proposals on the discussions > lists. Nobody else has stuck their hand and said I would like to do this > that or the other. I live in a democratic society and I love that SME > aka Koozali, is also democratic in that I can participate and propose as > much as I like and get people to support my ideas and I can give my > critical feedback on others ideas. That is what I believe is the benefit > of this software and foundation. > > This situation reminds me of a couple of sayings: > > "You can't please all the people all the time" > > and > > "Opinions are likes bums (this is the clean version), everyone has one" > -- > > garth kirkwood > gk computer services > > 'doing I.T. for you' > > po box 325 sandgate qld 4017 | 0432 101 981 | 07 3103 7794 | > www.gkcomputerservices.com > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.contribs.org/pipermail/discussion/attachments/20130630/9ee336f1/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 14:00:37 +1200 > From: Tony Keane <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [discussion] REQUEST FOR VOTE: SME Project Leadership > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > All > > You can view the results of the vote here: > > > https://docs.google.com/a/koozali.org/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnDnfrnOTXFcdDk1SkQ5LU00bzU4a0Q0Z0tPeHRBZWc&usp=sharing > > Please note that at this time I have not verified that there are no > duplicate votes between the forum and lists. > > Regards > > Tony > > On 29/06/2013 10:15 p.m., Tony Keane wrote: > > All > > > > I will as the secretary of the board collate the results of the votes > > received from the lists and forums and will supply a link to the > > results so that anyone who wishes to can review them. > > > > Kindest regards > > > > Tony Keane > > Secretary > > Koozali Foundation, Inc > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 15:28:03 +1200 > From: Tony Keane <[email protected]> > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Subject: [discussion] Koozali Foundation, Inc Board Members > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > All > > The current board members are: > > * > > Daniel Berteaud > > John Crisp (President) > > Anthony John Keane**(Secretary) > > ** > > St?phane de Labrusse > > Shad Lords > > *Ian Wells** > > Stefano Zamboni > > Greg Zartman (Treasurer) > > Jean-Philippe Pialasse (Replaced HsingFoo Wang) (As per section 9 of the > By-Laws) > > * > > > > Hsing?Foo Wang > > Resigned: 03/06/2013 > > I hereby consider myself not affiliated with the Koozali Foundation Inc. > in any way, and I would like to receive a copy of this change as per > June 3rd, 2013 from any official entity that requires up to date > information, and the Koozali Foundation Inc's confirmation. > > Thank you and good luck. > > > -HF > > > Regards > > Tony Keane > *Secretary > Koozali Foundation, Inc** > ** > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.contribs.org/pipermail/discussion/attachments/20130630/3d69188c/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 08:39:54 +0200 > From: Jaco Bongers <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, SME > DevList <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [discussion] [devinfo] REQUEST FOR VOTE: SME Project > Leadership > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Option 3 > > As a longtime sme user I am very happy with the current direction and > activity. > > Jaco > > Sent from my iPad > > On 29 Jun 2013, at 9:51, Norrie McKinley <[email protected]> wrote: > > > No. 3. Anything else will set us back yet another 6 months and may even > kill SME forever. Thanks for the leadership. > > > > Norrie > > _______________________________________________ > > Discussion about project organisation and overall direction > > To unsubscribe, e-mail [email protected] > > Searchable archive at > http://lists.contribs.org/mailman/public/discussion/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 09:38:50 +0100 > From: Gavin Weight <[email protected]> > To: Tony Keane <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [discussion] Koozali Foundation, Inc Board Members > Message-ID: <-1763746693976788020@unknownmsgid> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Tony, > > Why did HF resign? Did he disagree or have any concerns with the new > foundation? If HF did have any disagreements or concerns does anyone else > on the board have any concerns or do you all share the same goal? > > This may affect the way I would have voted. > > > -- > Thanks. > > Gav > > On 30 Jun 2013, at 04:28, Tony Keane <[email protected]> wrote: > > All > > The current board members are: > > * > > Daniel Berteaud > > John Crisp (President) > > Anthony John Keane (Secretary) > ** > > St?phane de Labrusse > > Shad Lords > *Ian Wells* > > Stefano Zamboni > > Greg Zartman (Treasurer) > > Jean-Philippe Pialasse (Replaced HsingFoo Wang) (As per section 9 of the > By-Laws) > > Hsing?Foo Wang > > Resigned: 03/06/2013 > > I hereby consider myself not affiliated with the Koozali Foundation Inc. in > any way, and I would like to receive a copy of this change as per June 3rd, > 2013 from any official entity that requires up to date information, and the > Koozali Foundation Inc's confirmation. > > Thank you and good luck. > > -HF > > Regards > > Tony Keane > *Secretary > Koozali Foundation, Inc* > * > > _______________________________________________ > Discussion about project organisation and overall direction > To unsubscribe, e-mail [email protected] > Searchable archive at http://lists.contribs.org/mailman/public/discussion/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.contribs.org/pipermail/discussion/attachments/20130630/b45d6ba6/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 10:55:24 +0200 > From: Fred <[email protected]> > To: Tony Keane <[email protected]> > Cc: SME DevList <[email protected]>, > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [discussion] [devinfo] REQUEST FOR VOTE: SME Project > Leadership > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Option 3 of course !! > > Rgds > Fr?d?ric > > Le 29 juin 2013 ? 08:46, Tony Keane <[email protected]> a ?crit : > > > I as one of the members of the Koozali Foundation, Inc board would like > to encourage all community members to speak up and make a vote. > > > > It is time for the community to choose their fate you all have a > responsibility to speak if you want SME to continue. > > > > Regards > > Tony Keane > > Secretary > > Koozali Foundation, Inc > > From: Greg Zartman > > Sent: ?29/?06/?2013 15:11 > > To: [email protected]; SME DevList > > Subject: [devinfo] REQUEST FOR VOTE: SME Project Leadership > > > > It appears that there are some who feel the current Koozali Foundation > and Board of Directors is illegitimate and has no community backing because > it was formed instead of officially voted in. The current Foundation was > formed under the direction of a US licensed attorney and follows standard > Non-Profit Organization practices and guidelines. > > > > All organizations need some kind of leadership in order to make > decisions for the organization; otherwise, the organization basically goes > nowhere. The intention of all of those who have been working on this > effort was and is to bring order to disorder and help grow the SME project > and make it better. This is it ? no agenda beyond that. Those on the > current board essentially volunteered. > > > > Directly to the point: Since there are those who think the organization > that was formed over the last six months is illegitimate because it wasn't > voted on, let?s vote. There are many people putting in a lot of their own > personal time and money to build the current organizational structure. If > this isn?t what the community wants, then please let?s put an end to it and > stop wasting the time of those putting in the time and money to make the > organization. > > > > Please don?t just pass this message by. Vote on it so that we can move > forward in a productive fashion without even the implication of > illegitimacy, one way or the other. > > > > Here are the options I see: > > > > Option 1: Dis-ban the current board and foundation and go back to the > status quo as of six months ago. > > > > Option 2: Keep the current Foundation, but elect a new board of > directors. > > > > Option 3: Keep the current Foundation and board of directors. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discussion about project organisation and overall direction > > To unsubscribe, e-mail [email protected] > > Searchable archive at > http://lists.contribs.org/mailman/public/discussion/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.contribs.org/pipermail/discussion/attachments/20130630/15c22a0a/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 21:42:01 +1200 > From: Michael Doerner - TechnologyWise <[email protected]> > To: SME DevList <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [discussion] REQUEST FOR VOTE: SME Project Leadership > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > Option 1: Dis-ban the current board and foundation and go back to the > > status quo as of six months ago. > > > > Option 2: Keep the current Foundation, but elect a new board of > > directors. > > > > Option 3: Keep the current Foundation and board of directors. > > > My vote is for option 3. > > I fully support and thank those who work on moving SME forward rather > wasting energies on endless debates with no progress. > > Michael Doerner > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 04:18:02 +1200 > From: Tony Keane <[email protected]> > To: Gavin Weight <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [discussion] Koozali Foundation, Inc Board Members > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > Gavin > > Over a period of two to three weeks there were a series of disagreements > between HF and other board members both Greg and I tried to resolve > these issues as it was affecting the ability of the board to work > together but in the end HF chose to resign from the board. HF's main > concerns were about the speed at which were proceeding or lack of. The > current board is united in that we are all working to make SME best in > breed. Though we may have strong opinions on how to best achieve this > and hold many discussions on the subject. We are making steady progress > on what we feel needs to be done to have a solid foundation on which to > build SME's future. > > I hope this answers your question satisfactorily but if you have any > further concerns please let me know and I will attempt to answer them. > > Tony Keane > Secretary > Koozali Foundation, Inc > > > On 30/06/2013 8:38 p.m., Gavin Weight wrote: > > Tony, > > > > Why did HF resign? Did he disagree or have any concerns with the new > > foundation? If HF did have any disagreements or concerns does anyone > > else on the board have any concerns or do you all share the same goal? > > > > This may affect the way I would have voted. > > > > > > -- > > Thanks. > > > > Gav > > > > On 30 Jun 2013, at 04:28, Tony Keane <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > >> All > >> > >> The current board members are: > >> > >> * > >> > >> Daniel Berteaud > >> > >> John Crisp (President) > >> > >> Anthony John Keane**(Secretary) > >> > >> ** > >> > >> St?phane de Labrusse > >> > >> Shad Lords > >> > >> *Ian Wells** > >> > >> Stefano Zamboni > >> > >> Greg Zartman (Treasurer) > >> > >> Jean-Philippe Pialasse (Replaced HsingFoo Wang) (As per section 9 of > >> the By-Laws) > >> > >> * > >> > >> > >> > >> Hsing?Foo Wang > >> > >> Resigned: 03/06/2013 > >> > >> I hereby consider myself not affiliated with the Koozali Foundation > >> Inc. in any way, and I would like to receive a copy of this change as > >> per June 3rd, 2013 from any official entity that requires up to date > >> information, and the Koozali Foundation Inc's confirmation. > >> > >> Thank you and good luck. > >> > >> > >> -HF > >> > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Tony Keane > >> *Secretary > >> Koozali Foundation, Inc** > >> ** > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Discussion about project organisation and overall direction > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail [email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]> > >> Searchable archive at > >> http://lists.contribs.org/mailman/public/discussion/ > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.contribs.org/pipermail/discussion/attachments/20130701/13ceb923/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Discussion about project organisation and overall direction > To unsubscribe, e-mail [email protected] > Searchable archive at http://lists.contribs.org/mailman/public/discussion/ > > End of discussion Digest, Vol 150, Issue 2 > ****************************************** > -- Jack Nelson [email protected] cell: 412-638-9812 Google: 412-589-9362 o:412-661-9008
_______________________________________________ Discussion about project organisation and overall direction To unsubscribe, e-mail [email protected] Searchable archive at http://lists.contribs.org/mailman/public/discussion/
