I poked around some more. Unfortunately, nobody posts connection
diagrams these days, but one can also draw some conclusions from the
the more high-level descriptions and from problems people run into:

http://www.amazon.com/Micro-Y-Cable-extra-power-supply/dp/B00EJP5XR2

"Please note that the extra power goes into the peripheral device,
 not into the android device itself."

One customer commented
"it doesn't pass power from micro usb female to rest of cable"

Also many others found that their Micro USB device wouldn't get
charged, which is consistent with not having a connection between
Micro.VBUS and the VBUS shared between the two (M/F) full-sized A.
(However, this could also be caused by the problem described below.)

http://www.amazon.com/Micro-Cable-Power-Galaxy-Samsung/dp/B00CXAC1ZW

This one is more interesting. The following comment suggests that the
charging issue many (but not all) observed here as well is merely
because this cable doesn't tell the device on the Micro side that
it's okay to draw 500 mA:

http://www.amazon.com/review/R200RG3J9IQR75/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00CXAC1ZW&nodeID=2335752011&store=wireless

This would be normal and make sense. But it also means that the
warning that devices won't charge with a given cable doesn't
necessarily imply that it won't work for our purposes.


So, dear Chinese cable makers, this is the sort of cable we'd like
you to make (shield not shown - should be like GND):

http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/anelok/tmp/y-cable.pdf

Source:

https://gitorious.org/anelok/anelok/source/doc/y-cable.fig

A few considerations:

- most of the Y-cables I found are fairly short, apparently designed
  for laptops as power source. Would be nice to have a bit of extra
  length, in case the power-providing port is further away (PC under
  the desk, etc.)

- the cable inevitably violates some rules. Here are some of them:

  - as far a I understand it (too lazy to check the standard :-),
    ID must be grounded if the connector is Micro A and it must be
    open if the connector is Micro B.

    What would be most convenient for Anelok is Micro B with ID
    connected to GND. Fortunately, it seems that the industry is
    already conspiring to do just that.

  - one probably shouldn't inject power into a Micro A upstream port
    without first asking nicely.

  - using this cable to connect devices that draw 500 mA without
    prior communication (bad but common), the resulting load on the
    PC side may be 1 A.

    Fortunately, not an issue with Anelok, which is happy with just a
    few mA.

I haven't found a cable that meets exactly these specs, but the
B00CXAC1ZW from above may be close. Would be nice if someone within
easy shipping range could get one and measure how things are
connected in there.

- Werner

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