On Friday 10. May 2019 10.11.40 Bernhard E. Reiter wrote: > Am Mittwoch 08 Mai 2019 14:41:59 schrieb Carsten Agger: > > > > As for mobile devices, we're not there *at all*. It's definitely not > > realistically feasible for everybody to acquire devices with a free OS > > and run only free apps. > > Sure everybody could (in principle). It could be easier, but where to start? > You can buy mobile phones, desktop and notebook computers that only come > with Free Software (maybe make a concession for drivers).
Right now, it is just not feasible (if not completely impossible) to go and buy a mobile phone running only Free Software, even if one tolerates things like proprietary firmware running on various parts of the hardware. Niche purchasing options (as mentioned below and previously) only make this assertion slightly less true. Even if there is some Android-based phone out there that can actually be purchased and really does run only Free Software, it is probably not feasible (or even technically possible) for the customer to verify the status of the software and/or to deploy a clean build of the software that does originate from genuine Free Software sources. In my survey of currently available devices that I found myself doing because I actually needed a new phone, I found myself entering the labyrinth that many others have probably encountered before, needing to consider issues like whether source code is conveniently obtained, what steps need to be taken to unlock the bootloader, whether the manufacturers are awkward about such things, what the different operating system distributions support. And so on. In the end, even dedicated Free Software advocates are likely to just give up, buy something, and use the device subject to whatever terms and conditions are imposed on them just by powering it on. So, too bad that everyone has to agree to Google's terms - whatever they are, given that just viewing them requires the user to enable data and let the device have its way with the network - just to have a functioning mobile phone. And, of course, the device manufacturer also has some additional terms and conditions that they would like you to agree to. If all of this isn't some kind of defeat for Free Software, then I don't know what is. That said, there are evidently sections of the Free Software community who live their lives on Facebook and Twitter, so what do I know? > > That's part of the point Paul raised: We don't just need awareness about > > software freedom, we need actual software for people to use. > > Agreed, the question is: How to get there? So the following reminded me about this discussion: "The FSFE urges users to use Free Software operating systems and applications on their computing devices. With proprietary software, they are on the receiving end only and vendors may deny them access to crucial security updates if the vendor or a government changes its strategy. Free Software enables control of technology, and the more important that technology becomes in our daily lives, the more relevant Free Software becomes for users. For Android, the FSFE helps users to regain more control with its Free Your Android initiative." https://fsfe.org/news/2019/news-20190520-01.en.html Well, good luck with that, FSFE! Free Your Android is largely a matter of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. Regaining more control, as opposed to actually having control, is as good as it gets. If it were possible to do what people used to do (and maybe still do) with other forms of computers, then you could power up a phone and boot straight into a Free Software installer, completely ignoring the preloaded proprietary software. But even if this were possible with a phone, the lack of appropriate Free Software support makes this a non-starter. Even better would be the possibility of getting a phone with completely Free Software on it, but those old/refurbished Samsung models seem to be the only option. That isn't a sustainable solution, as I may have explained already. There are a handful of devices that may ultimately make it to market that supposedly run Free Software. Even ignoring the unfavourable pricing of most of these, I have relatively little confidence in very many of them offering a convincing final product: there is still far too much "shopping around" by Free Software initiatives that fancy the idea that their software will "power" a Free Software phone. Maybe the role of the FSFE is to go beyond advocacy and help knock some stubborn heads together, to eliminate people's parochial and needlessly competitive attitudes, to actually persuade people to commit to realising an actual vision in a genuinely serious way, perhaps to secure resources to allow this to happen. Urging people to use Free Software products that don't exist just won't do the job. Because it is already a defeat that twenty years after installing a Free Software distribution on some general-purpose hardware and throwing proprietary software overboard, I find myself confronted with EULAs and other such nonsense on a new purchase, knowing that this was as close to the best I could achieve in the situation I was in. Paul _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct