Hi Elazar,

We have already had this discussion a couple of months ago, please check
the archives. It was even summerized by Ram-On, if it is hard for you to
follow the whole discussion.

But since I am alreay writing this mail, I will summerize the bottom line.

1.Hamakor does not have a legal charter to represent Free Contents, only
Free Software.

2.Hamakor cannot represent those who explicitely wish NOT to be
represented by it. This is the case with Wikipedia.

If you choose to respond to this mail, PLEASE do this only after you have
read the very-very-long discussion we just had on the subject.

Thanks,
Orna.

On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Elazar Leibovich wrote:

> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:10:30 +0200
> From: Elazar Leibovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Orna Agmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: Lior Kaplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Shoshannah Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>      HaMakor <discussions@hamakor.org.il>
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Forwarding an idea to Hamakor mailing list
>
> I sent this to Hamakor, since I understood it should be a
"roof-organization" representing opensource activity in Israel. Wikipedia
represents itself just like hebrew knoppix versions represents itself, and
just like Via's school project represents itself, just like openoffice
represents itself. However when, say, asking government or a company to
support openoffice format, it might be wiser to request that through a
registered organization than to send a letter as "the guy who took the
responsibility to take care of openoffice users"[1], even if inside the
openoffice community he's known as the local guru and everyone will agree to
whatever he does.
Think about a university clerk, which have never heard of wikipedia or
opensource at all, and is deciding whether to participate or not in an
activity managed by a known organization with real-world address and contact
numbers, or an activity managed by someone which he never heard about
before, stating he's some kind of "wikipedia operator".
Also please note that it's not the CS-math facilities we're (mainly) after,
they've probably heard of wikipedia and probably know how to use it,
wikipedia has much CS-math articles. It's more biology-chemistry etc. we
should look for, whose clerks and decision-makers might haven't heard of
wikipedia or don't know its working methods.

[1] It reminds me the "Pashkevilim" in Bnei-Brack and Jerusalem protesting
some kind of immodesty and signed with the anonymous "HaVa'ad LeMa'an
Kdushat Machaneinu".

On 4/18/06, Orna Agmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Wikipedia represents itself, and does not want Hamakor to represent
> Wikipedia. Hence, this should be discussed on the MIZNON of Hebrew
> wikipedia.
>
> Orna.
>
> On Mon, 17 Apr 2006, Lior Kaplan wrote:
>
> > Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:46:44 +0300
> > From: Lior Kaplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Shoshannah Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Elazar Leibovich <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: HaMakor <discussions@hamakor.org.il>
> > Subject: Re: Fwd: Forwarding an idea to Hamakor mailing list
> >
> > �”�� �™�¦� �ž�”���™�¤�•�¨ �”�–�” �ž�©�”�•, ��• �©� �©��¨ �‘�’�“�¨ 
> > �”�¦�¢�” �‘�œ�‘�“?
> >
> > Shoshannah Forbes wrote:
> > >
> > > Forwarding as requested. Please CC Elazar with your replies.
> > >
> > > Begin forwarded message:
> > >
> > >> From: Elazar Leibovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> > >> Date: November 22, 2005 9:53:19 AM IST
> > >> To: Shoshannah Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> > >> Subject: Forwarding an idea to Hamakor mailing list
> > >> Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
> > >> boundary="----=_Part_12884_9694581.1132645999397"
> > >>
> > >> Mind Forwarding this to Hamakor? It's a letter draft suggesting
> > >> Universities to make writing an article to wikipedia, academically
> > >> profitable.
> > >
> > > Begin Letter converted from DOC file:
> > >
> > > �œ�›�‘�•�“
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> > >
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> > >
> > > �©�œ�•� �¨�‘,
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> > > "�•�™�§�™�¤�“�™�”".
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> > > �”�� �¦�™�§�œ�•�¤�“�™�” �”�—�•�¤�©�™�× �•�™�§�™�¤�“�™�” (
> > > "http://www.wikipedia.org"; www.wikipedia.org <http://www.wikipedia.org
> >
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> �©�œ
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> > > �›�œ ��“� �‘�¢�•�œ� �›�•�œ�• �‘�¢�œ �’�™�©�” �œ��™� �˜�¨� �˜.
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> �œ�¢�ž�•�“
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> > > �¤�¨�•�™�§�˜ �—�©�•�‘ �–�”.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Shoshannah Forbes
> > > http://www.xslf.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> Orna.
> --
> Orna Agmon http://ladypine.org/  http://haifux.org/~ladypine/
> ICQ: 348759096
>
>


Orna.
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