On 11/19/2012 06:19 PM, Jim Fulton wrote:
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Alex Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
Ugh, sorry. I wonder if we can get Richard Jones or Martin von Löwis to
modify PyPI such that "hiding" really means hiding (CC'ing catalog-sig).
That would be very bad. Old releases are often hidden.
I
also wonder if that is the right thing to do.
It's not.
Personally, I'd be OK with
having to use find-links (or something like it) to test the alpha e.g.:
$ pip install -f http://path/to/buildout.zip zc.buildout
pip install
https://github.com/downloads/buildout/buildout/zc.buildout-2.0.0a4.tar.gz
Actually what would be ideal (I think), if it were possible, is:
- Upload sdist
- Hide release
- pip install zc.buildout installs latest unhidden release
- pip install zc.buildout==2.0.0a4 installs 2.0.0a4.
But that may be nonsensical… unless perhaps pip and easy_install were to
check a different index if/when an exact version spec is given. :-/
What would be ideal would be for pip and easy_install to only install
non-final releases if asked to. Or at least provide an option to
prefer final releases. Buildout has had a prefer-final option for
years. In an upcoming buildout 2 alpha, this will become the default.
My $.02: PyPI consumers are not customers. They are collaborators.
They are collaborators who need to be paying active attention to what
they're doing if they choose to install random stuff from PyPI. Doubly
so if they're automating that installation. Triply so if the automated
installation of a system must not break because they'll lose time or
money or both as a result.
There is no sense in ever making an alpha release if it's never going to
be installed by anybody. I agree that preferring final releases should
probably be the default for installer tools. However, even if it's not,
distribution creators shouldn't feel compelled to hold off pushing an
alpha release to PyPI for fear that someone might actually use it.
- C
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