On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Nick Coghlan <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Marcus Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >> Nick: >> >> I'm not sure who owns it yet. > > I ran into Jannis before he left this morning, and he was fairly sure > someone decided it would also be a good idea to register it on > BitBucket after the GitHub group was set up. > >> If it is one of us, then it would need to be a group vote to use the pypa >> "brand name" like this. >> I'll try to get all the pypa people to come here and register their opinion. >> >> here's my personal thoughts: >> >> I understand the motivation to reuse our name, but probably less political >> to start a new nifty short name. > > A big part of my role at this point is to take the heat for any > potentially political or otherwise controversial issues (similar to > the way Guido takes the heat for deciding what colour various > bikesheds are going to be painted in the core language design - the > "BDFL-Delegate" title was chosen advisedly). > > While we certainly won't do it if you're not amenable as a group, I'll > be trying my best to persuade you that it's a good idea to turn your > self-chosen name into official reality :) > >> "pypack" or something. "pack" as in a group of people, but also short for >> "packaging" > > The reason I'd like permission to re-use the name is because I want to > be crystal clear that pip *is* the official installer, and virtualenv > is the official way to get venv support in versions prior to 3.3, and > similar for distlib and pylauncher (of course, I also need to make > sure Vinay is OK with that, since those projects currently live under > his personal repo). > > I don't want to ask the pypa to change its name, and I absolutely *do > not* want to have people asking whether or not pypa and some other > group are the ones to listen to in terms of how to do software > distribution "the Python way". I want to have one group that the core > Python docs can reference and say "if you need to distribute Python > software with and for older Python versions, here's where to go for > the latest and greatest tools and advice". If we have two distinct > names on GitHub and PyPI, it becomes that little bit harder to convey > that pylauncher, pip, virtualenv, distlib are backwards compatible > versions of features of Python 3.4+ and officially endorsed by the > core development team. > >> In the spirit of the blog post, here's the 2 doc projects I'd like to see >> exist under this new ~"pypack" group account, and be linked to from the main >> python docs. >> >> 1) "Python Packaging User Guide": to replace the unmaintained Hitchhiker's >> guide, or just get permission to copy that in here and get it up to date >> and more complete. >> 2) "Python Packaging Dev Hub": a simpler name to replace >> "python-meta-packaging" >> >> give the ~10-15 people that are actively involved in the various packaging >> projects and PEPs admin/merge access to help maintain these docs. > > Yes, that sounds like a good structure. > >> and then announce this on python-announce as real and supported indirectly >> by the PSF. > > It's not PSF backing that matters, it's the python-dev backing to add > links from the 2.7 and 3.3 versions of the docs on python.org to the > user guide on the new site (and probably from the CPython dev guide to > the packaging developer hub). That's a fair bit easier for me to sell > if it's one group rather than two. > >> people will flock IMO to follow it and contribute with pulls and issues > > Yes, a large part of my goal here is similar to that of the PSF board > when Brett Cannon was funded for a couple of months to write the > initial version of the CPython developer guide. > > Cheers, > Nick. > > -- > Nick Coghlan | [email protected] | Brisbane, Australia > _______________________________________________ > Distutils-SIG maillist - [email protected] > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
And we really need to double down on this kind of pseudo-totalitarian propaganda: http://s3.pixane.com/lenin_packaging.png (only now with more setuptools!) _______________________________________________ Distutils-SIG maillist - [email protected] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
