On Jul 30, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Paul Moore <p.f.mo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 30 July 2013 21:58, Donald Stufft <don...@stufft.io> wrote:
> As far as how to fix it I don't have a particularly magic answer. I will try 
> to be more
> mindful of my tone and that distutils-sig is likely not my adversary anymore 
> as well
> as try to ask questions instead of arguing the relevance immediately.
> 
> Thank you - both for the thoughtful response and the explanation of what is 
> going on in your thinking.
> 
> I certainly tend to think about possible issues rather than benefits, maybe 
> more than I should as I don't personally have any particular problems with a 
> rapid pace of change (except in some specific areas where I'm in so much of a 
> minority that I don't expect my concerns to be a big driver in the grand 
> scheme of things). I think I'm doing this to make sure people haven't missed 
> potential issues I'm aware of, but I can easily imagine that this comes 
> across as negative "stop energy". I'll try to stick to issues where I have 
> genuine concerns, and not theoretical ones in future.

I don't actually mind even theoretical problems nor do I want people to feel 
like they need to coddle me because of my history with distutils-sig. That 
history and how It affects me is *my* problem. I think as long as we, including 
myself, approach theoretical problems as "Let's figure out if this theoretical 
problem is actually a problem, and if it is do we care about it" and not 
"here's a bunch of possible problems, we can't do this" then there will be no 
issues.

It's true that theoretical problems can make me feel more like someones 
applying stop energy than concrete problems, but that's not a problem of the 
person bringing up that problem and more just it triggering old feelings from a 
time where I couldn't even get a SSL certificate trusted by most major browsers 
by default deployed ;). Not allowing those feelings to poison current efforts 
is on me.

> 
> And yes, it does feel like distutils-sig of 2013 is a much nicer place than 
> it used to be. Thanks to everyone for working to keep that the case.
> 
> Paul


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