On 2 December 2013 13:22, Nick Coghlan <ncogh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> As a quick sanity check question - what is the long-term advice for >> Christoph (and others like him)? Continue distributing wininst >> installers? Move to wheels? Move to conda packages? Do whatever you >> want, we don't care? We're supposedly pushing pip as "the officially >> supported solution to package management" - how can that be reconciled >> with *not* advising builders[1] to produce pip-compatible packages? > > What Christoph is doing is producing a cross-platform curated binary > software stack, including external dependencies. That's precisely the > problem I'm suggesting we *not* try to solve in the core tools any time > soon, but instead support bootstrapping conda to solve the problem at a > different layer.
OK. From my perspective, that's *not* what Christoph is doing (I concede that it might be from his perspective, though). As far as I know, the only place where Christoph's builds are incompatible with standard builds is where numpy is involved (where he uses Intel compiler extensions). But what he does *for me* is to provide binary builds of lxml, pyyaml, matplotlib, pyside and a number of other packages that I haven't got the infrastructure set up locally to build. [He also provides apparently-incompatible binary builds of scientific packages like numpy/scipy/pandas, but that's a side-issue and as I get *all* of my scientific packages from him, the incompatibility is not a visible problem for me] If the named projects provided Windows binaries, then there would be no issue with Christoph's stuff. But AFAIK, there is no place I can get binary builds of matplotlib *except* from Christoph. And lxml provides limited sets of binaries - there's no Python 3.3 version, for example. I could continue :-) Oh, and by the way, in what sense do you mean "cross-platform" here? Win32 and Win64? Maybe I'm being narrow minded, but I tend to view "cross platform" as meaning "needs to think about at least two of Unix, Windows and OSX". The *platform* issues on Windows (and OSX, I thought) are solved - it's the ABI issues that we've ignored thus far (successfully till now :-)) But Christoph's site won't go away because of this debate, and as long as I can find wininst, egg or wheel binaries somewhere, I can maintain my own personal wheel index. So I don't really care much, and I'll stop moaning for now. I'll focus my energies on building that personal index instead. Paul _______________________________________________ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
