On 5 February 2014 01:59, Vinay Sajip <vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > On Tue, 4/2/14, Nick Coghlan <ncogh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Vinay, please let it drop. > >> You accuse us of FUD, yet have presented no evidence that >> your approach works flawlessly across multiple versions of >> Fedora, Debian, openSUSE, RHEL, CentOS, Debian, Ubuntu, >> Windows, Mac OS X, etc, > > I merely asked for a hearing, and made no claims I couldn't > substantiate, and with actual code in places. But you seem > determined not to give me that hearing, so I'll drop it. It's a > shame you have to resort to an argument from authority.
No hearing? You haven't answered *any* of our technical objections, instead dismissing them all as irrelevant. - doesn't work for packages that require installation (which I had forgotten until you reminded me) - doesn't address the distro isolation problem (except by ducking it entirely and saying "don't install it", which isn't a good end user experience, especially on Windows - hence the whole PEP 453 thing so Windows users didn't need to download and run get-pip.py) - doesn't provide a consistent end user experience (what if they *do* install it in some virtual environments and not others?) - doesn't provide any assistance in maintaining a correspondence between pip versions and projects, which at least some freelancers and other contractors see as a valuable capability - should work *in theory* on multiple platforms, but has not been tested broadly on them the way the current approach has Hence, "potentially interesting from a technological perspective, but doesn't solve any of the significant problems currently affecting end users, so not actually all that interesting from a practical perspective" is the natural assessment. It's neat that distil is a standalone script, and hence can be easily run in a venv from outside it, just as venv in Py 3.4 can bootstrap pip without first activating the environment by running "<venv python> -m ensurepip". That's a property of "standalone script" vs "installable package", though, and one that has trade-offs of its own (some of which are noted above) Regards, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncogh...@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia _______________________________________________ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
