On Mar 6, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Michael Bayer <mike...@zzzcomputing.com> wrote:
> Hi Distutils ! > > I don’t follow this list and haven’t looked at it in a long time. However, > I’m learning via twitter that a brand new setuptools release that’s just gone > out has just removed the “Feature” mechanism. > > Now as you’re all rolling your eyes and preparing to bang out frustrated > replies how this was well announced and deprecated and warned about and wow > really didn’t you know the term paper was due today, OK first off let me say > I am sorry! I am not a distutils/setuptools maintainer. I am just someone > that uses it, and as I include setuptools in my setup.py, I am also getting > thousands of other people who download my product to use it as well. And I > don’t read the setuptools changelog! Or the setuptools blog. Or this list. > I assume you guys have it under control (and you certainly do!). There seem > to be other people like me (people who write very widely used software) who > also seem surprised! And that is surprising too (as I am usually the only > person to be surprised by these things that should not be surprising). So I > hope you can hold back your frustration with my clueless RTFMness long enough > to answer these questions: > > 1. where was this announced? I’m wondering why there weren’t loud blaring > blog posts and tweets all over the place stating that on March 6, dozens of > major packages are going to all break. > > 2. what is the plan for unmaintained packages and old versions of existing > packages on pypi that “import Feature” and can no longer be installed? Is > it just the case that a large amount of pypi just won’t install anymore? > > 3. What, if any, is the recommended approach going forward to a Python > package that wishes to specify a command-line flag during install. Here’s > multiple choice: > > a. you can use new setuptools API <some new way to add —flags> > > b. you can roll it yourself in setup.py using <hack X> > > c. your setup.py should never accept any kind of flags as that interferes > with <up-and-coming use case Q> > > d. other > > If choice c., then here is another question. My library includes optional C > extensions. On certain platforms, these C extensions don’t build (like on > Pypy, or on Windows if you don’t have compilation tools installed). In this > regard it gracefully degrades. But also, I want to be able to have a command > line option to determine this as well. Because! Maybe I’m installing within > a test suite where I need to test the entire library without the C extensions > built. Maybe some user has found a bug in the C extensions, and that user > needs to temporarily install the tool without the extensions built. Other > cases for flags are, maybe your library can build with or without SSL > support, something like that. > > Keep in mind, I actually *won’t* be getting bug reports about this because my > setup.py already gracefully degrades to distutils! But still, I’d like to > have my —without-cextensions flag somehow. > > Thanks for listening and again I apologize for not following the setuptools > changelog on a regular basis! > > > - mike > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig FWIW as the person who was mostly the responder on Twitter, I really didn’t mean to sound RTFM-y. I think that communicating things to users is *important*. I was mostly just responding to the fact it wasn’t completely out of the blue :) As far as I’m aware here are the answers: 1. Setuptools changelog in Version 1.0 2. Use older versions of setuptools 3. No idea. Please note that I’m not the setuptools maintainer and these are just what I’m aware of. ----------------- Donald Stufft PGP: 0x6E3CBCE93372DCFA // 7C6B 7C5D 5E2B 6356 A926 F04F 6E3C BCE9 3372 DCFA
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