On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 at 17:32, Donald Stufft <don...@stufft.io> wrote: > > > On Nov 3, 2018, at 7:27 AM, Paul Moore <p.f.mo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 at 01:27, Donald Stufft <don...@stufft.io> wrote: > >> > >> Just an FYI, I’m going to ask the discuss.python.org admins to add a > >> Packaging category to that discourse instance for the discussion of > >> packaging in Python, basically as a sister discussion location to > >> distutils-sig. I plan to primarily participate and centralize my own > >> personal discussions there, although others are free to continue to > >> discuss wherever they would like (although I think it would be great if > >> folks would all jump over there as well!). > >> > >> I’m not going to request any sub categories at this time, both because I > >> don’t think our traffic is high enough to warrant it, and also because I > >> think that tagging will be a more useful mechanism for us since we can tag > >> things with relevant projects or whatever (or not tag things at all) and > >> topics can have multiple tags. > > > > For now, can I ask that any discussions that need my participation > > post here. I don't currently have the bandwidth to learn/follow > > Discourse, so I'm extremely likely to miss things that are posted on > > there. Specifically, any discussions around packaging standards that > > need a decision from me, or need my input, should take place on this > > list. > > From a practical matter, as the BDFL-Delegate [1] it would be pretty hard to > get a decision somewhere that you’re not participating in. My own personal > motivation for client side has been pretty low lately, so I presume that the > bulk of what I would be posting there would be related to the server side > anyways. Of course I can’t control other people so if other people are > posting there for client side stuff, then they’d have to summarize over here > for you or something.
Indeed :-) I deliberately didn't put it like that as I didn't want to seem like I was making ultimatums (ultimata?) But I am increasingly concerned that the push to move away from the mailing lists to a mixture of web-based pull-style fora (forums? :-)) (github issues, discourse) is fragmenting the discussion base, and making it harder for *anyone* to have a good sense of "what is going on in the community". I don't have an answer (I understand that for you, the mailing list format is as problematic as the web forum format is for me) but I think we should be very cautious of experimenting here, without a better understanding of who will fall by the wayside and what we might lose. > [1] Although depending on which governance PEP gets selected, we may end up > losing our BDFL-Delegate status as some of the proposals don’t grant the > ability for the decision making entity to delegate their authority. Although > other ones do, though it’s not clear if they grant them on a long standing > basis or not, and at least one of them explicitly encodes in the idea of long > standing delegations. Which is largely irrelevant, as this is much less about decision makers and much more about building consensus. I don't know how we build any form of consensus if the whole community isn't communicating in a shared discussion :-( Paul -- Distutils-SIG mailing list -- distutils-sig@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to distutils-sig-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mm3/mailman3/lists/distutils-sig.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/mm3/archives/list/distutils-sig@python.org/message/VNI47NRJKPO246CHFSKG62GNFOHBW6YQ/
