Why not cancel it for Tanzania entirely and hold it in a less hostile place? They clearly don't want our money, why spend it there?
On Feb 23, 2018 15:10, "Rory McCann" <r...@technomancy.org> wrote: > Hi > > I always presumed this was caused by people not considering it, rather > than active malice. Straight privilege, eh? :) > > Yes there are limitations with holding events in NA/Europe, both legal > (immigration systems) and practical (higher relative cost). SotMs' > scholarship programmes are attempt to acknowledge and address this. And > we should do better, and keep these barrier(s) in mind. There are > countries in the global south, in Africa, where homosexuality is legal BTW. > > Some concrete, constructive suggestions: > > Inform any/all LGBTQ attendees that they need to go to Narnia (i.e. deep > in the closet). This might be impossible for some (e.g. trans people). > People should consider locking down their social media accounts, and > consider what apps or photos they have on their phones. One run in with > the police, and they look at your phone, and it's game over. (I didn't > do this when I went to Tanzania, but I did when considering going to Iran). > > First option: Make this a no-LGBTQ event. Remove references to "sexual > orientation" and "gender identity" from the CoC. Allow homophobic and > transphobic harassment/abuse/insults at the event. > > Second option: Try to make this event as LGBTQ-friendly /as possible/. > Reword the CoC to demote "sexuality" & "gender identity" sections to > reflect this, and acknowledge that not all (homo/transphobic) incidents > are actionable. i.e. Allow certain amounts of homophobic or transphobic > insults/etc at the event. > > Your CoC already says police will only be contacted if the complainant > wants it, that's good. I suggest another rule: "Don't report any > attendees (& friends/family) to the police for LGBTQ activity"[0]. > > In the last few months, the Tanzanian government[1][2], and police, have > announced a crackdown on gay rights, and they're implementing it. > Arresting LGBTQ people[3][4], and owners of venues[5], which host > pro-LGBTQ events, and shutting down NGOs which promote LGBTQ > rights[6][7]. > > Can you trust the venue to not inform the police? If there's a dispute > and you want to remove someone from the event, what will any local > security staff, or local volunteers, do with those threats hanging over > them? Be conscience that if you get the police involved in any incident, > the accused might points out a homosexual in the mist to deflect > attention & discredit your organization. > > LGBTQ people can go to Tanzania. But the organizers ability to enforce a > CoC in this area is severely limited. This is why you cannot continue to > call it a (LGBTQ) safe space. > > Good luck. > > Rory > > -- > > [0] Specific wording. A general "don't call police" enables abusers > https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/46791.html > > [1] 'Seeds of hate' sown as Tanzania starts LGBT crackdown. The > Guardian, 8 August 2016 > https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/08/seeds-of- > hate-sown-as-tanzania-starts-lgbt-crackdown > > [2] Tanzania suspends HIV/AIDS programs in new crackdown on gays. > Chicago Tribune, 23 November 2016 > http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-tanzania- > crackdown-on-gays-20161123-story.html > > [3] Lesbianism lands four people in Mwanza court. The Citizen, 9 > December 2017 > http://www.thecitizen.co.tz/News/Lesbianism-lands-four- > people-in-Mwanza-court/1840340-4220972-11ewf0x/index.html > > [4] Police arrest woman in Tanzania over video of same-sex kiss. > Reuters, 2 December 2017. > https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-lgbt/police-arrest-woman-in- > tanzania-over-video-of-same-sex-kiss-idUSKBN1DW0FP > > [5] Zanzibar police nab 20 over homosexuality. Daily News, 17 September > 2017 > https://www.dailynews.co.tz/index.php/home-news/53017- > zanzibar-police-nab-20-over-homosexuality > > [6] State suspends NGO supporting gay marriages. Daily News, 21 October > 2017 > https://www.dailynews.co.tz/index.php/home-news/53703- > state-suspends-ngo-supporting-gay-marriages > > [7] Nchemba: We’ve no room for gays. Daily News, 26 June 2017, > https://www.dailynews.co.tz/index.php/home-news/51447- > nchemba-we-ve-no-room-for-gays > > > On 16/02/18 22:55, Rachel Levine wrote: > > Dear Rory, > > > > > > * > > > > Thank you for bringing up this important issue. We recognize the very > > legitimate concern you raised and deeply regret any challenges this may > > present to some in our community. This was not our intention. > > > > > > When our working group made the decision, we were proud to announce the > > first ever HOT Summit at one of our project sites, and the first ever > > HOT Summit in Africa. One of the primary reasons for the decision was > > inclusivity: with a number of our colleagues and community members being > > unfairly denied visas in the last two years, this was a unique > > opportunity to rotate the Summit to a non-North America/Europe location. > > Our goal was simply to welcome so many of our friends and community > > members who may have been previously left out; at the same time > > fostering the growth and expansion of OpenStreetMap and FOSS in Africa. > > > > > > Community input was requested at all stages of the process as we began > > meeting more than three months ago. This included open group meetings > > and a community survey in which over 110 people participated. > > Unfortunately, this is the first time the issue has been raised and > > highlights the importance of increasing diversity of all kinds in the > > HOT and FOSS4G communities and Working Groups. > > > > > > We will take the following actions based on your message: > > > > * > > > > Review the code of conduct to make sure it communicates correctly > > (we welcome you and others to help with this and/or join our Working > > Group) > > > > * > > > > Add specific travel guidance to the website on safety and security > > > > * > > > > Make a commitment to ensure this is part of the discussion when > > deciding the location for all of our future Summits, invite others > > to join and help discuss > > > > > > Again, we welcome help and participation from all community members in > > making the event as inclusive as we, as a combined FOSS4G and HOT > > community, possibly can. The joint vision behind locating the Summit in > > Africa is indeed inclusivity and opening opportunities for traditionally > > underrepresented groups. HOT strives for equal opportunities and > > inclusivity in all our projects and activities. If you’d like to join > > Summit Working Group, you can do so here: > > https://groups.google.com/a/hotosm.org/d/forum/summit > > > > > > We are also happy to answer questions from any individuals who may not > > want to message a public list. Please reach out to sum...@hotosm.org > > <mailto:sum...@hotosm.org>. > > > > - The HOT Summit Working Group and FOSS4G 2018 Organizing Committee > > > > * > > > > > > > > On 16 Feb 2018 11:10 am, "Rory McCann" > > <r...@technomancy.org<mailto:r...@technomancy.org>> wrote:____ > > > > Hi, > > > > So the HOT Summit is in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. But, erm, > > it's illegal > > to be gay in Tanzania[1]. Travel advice from the UK[2] and > US[3] > > governments repeats that: "Homosexuality is not tolerated". > > > > The code of conduct for this conference[4] is (mostly) > > excellent, it > > covers "sexual orientation". But that's impossible in a > > country with > > such laws. > > > > (IMO) this conference cannot be a safe space for LGBTQ > > people[5]. We > > have the strange situation of HOT saying "This is a safe > > space for LGBTQ > > people, but follow the law which makes your existence > > illegal"[6]. I am > > flabbergasted at how HOT can think this can be a safe space, > > and HOT > > runs the risk of looking like they don't know what a safe > > space is... > > > > There's nothing wrong (IMO) with a CoC adapted to local > > laws[7]. But > > please be honest. The conference venue is homophobic. HOT > > should delete > > the "sexual orientation" parts from your CoC. SotM Africa > > 2017 in Uganda > > had a similar CoC[8], and similar laws. There is talk about > > (good) CoCs > > being mandatory for events, and if this is what passes as a > > CoC, then > > we've already given up. > > > > There's an argument about how far to go ("This country's > > anti-discrimination law doesn't go as far as my home > > country! Racist > > country!"), but I think there should be *a* line. Let's talk > > about that. > > "Illegal to be gay or trans[9]" is (IMO) a good line for > > LGBTQ issues. > > > > It looks like limiting LGBTQ attendance wasn't a deal > > breaker for HOT, > > or that diversity/inclusivity just isn't thought about much, > > which is sad. > > > > -- > > Rory > > > > [1] Technically same-sex sex is illegal, and so is having a > > same-sex > > spouse > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Tanzania<https: > //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Tanzania> > > [2] > > https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/tanzania/local- > laws-and-customs<https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/ > tanzania/local-laws-and-customs> > > [3] > > https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/ > international-travel/International-Travel-Country- > Information-Pages/Tanzania.html<https://travel.state.gov/ > content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country- > Information-Pages/Tanzania.html> > > [4] > > http://2018.foss4g.org/code-of-conduct.html<http://2018. > foss4g.org/code-of-conduct.html> > > [5] Same-sex sex is illegal in TZ, along with having a same > > sex spouse. > > I haven't see anything on trans laws, but I think we can > guess. > > [6] > > https://twitter.com/hotosm/status/964252343318532096<http > s://twitter.com/hotosm/status/964252343318532096> > > [7] I propose: "If the event covers a region where it's > legal to > > be gay, then the event cannot be held in a place where it's > > illegal to > > be gay." This makes SotM Africa (or global SotM) in Uganda > > wrong, but SotM Tanzania in Tanzania OK. "SotM East Africa" > > in Uganda would be OK. > > [8] > > https://web.archive.org/web/20170710101126/http:// > sotmafrica.org:80/registration/code-of-conduct/< > https://web.archive.org/web/20170710101126/http:/sotmafrica.org:80/ > registration/code-of-conduct/> > > [9] "illegal to be trans" is often laws against > > "crossdressing". This is > > happening now in Aceh, Indonesia, and the modern Gay Pride > > parades > > sprung from such a law in New York, USA in 1969. > > > > (I've been to Tanzania a few times, and it's a great > > country, Dar & > > Zanzibar are wonderful tourist destinations, and I totally > > recommend the > > area. But LGBTQ folk need to be careful.) > > > > > > On 14/02/18 01:49, Tyler Radford wrote:____ > > > > Dear HOT Community, > > > > > > You are invited to the 2018 HOT Summit at FOSS4G, August > > 29-31in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania! > > > > > > This year we again had a great selection of potential > > locations for the HOT Summit and were faced with a hard > > decision as we were very keen to have a joint event with > > both the OpenStreetMap and FOSS4G communities. As a > > first time chance to hold the Summit in a HOT project > > location, and through a wonderful partnership we are > > pleased to bring the HOT Summit to FOSS4G this year. HOT > > will lead the “Widening Access and Humanitarian Mapping” > > conference track. We welcome you to Tanzania -- home to > > our flagship Ramani Huria and Data Zetu projects. > > > > > > The Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial > > (FOSS4G) conference is the yearly gathering of the OSGeo > > community and this year they are looking to bring impact > > stories to their audience. With humanitarian and > > disaster response use of FOSS, especially in regards to > > geospatial, the HOT community brings an amazing showcase > > to an already impressive conference program. We can’t > > wait to see the collaboration between these open > > communities. > > > > > > Key Dates: > > > > * > > > > Coming Soon: Discounted Ticket Sales for HOT > community > > > > * > > > > March 21: Presentation Submission > > > > <http://2018.foss4g.org/programme.html<http://2018. > foss4g.org/programme.html>>Deadline > > > > * > > > > August 27-28: FOSS4G Pre-Conference Workshops > > > > > > > > * > > > > August 29-31: FOSS4G and HOT Summit Main Conference > > > > * > > > > September 1-2: FOSS4G Code Sprints and Community > Events > > > > > > Stay tuned to http://2018.foss4g.orgformore information > > on FOSS4G and the HOT Summit. > > > > > > --The 2018 HOT Summit Working Group > > > > * > > <https://donate.hotosm.org> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > HOT mailing list > > h...@openstreetmap.org<mailto:h...@openstreetmap.org> > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot<https:// > lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot>____ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > HOT mailing list > > h...@openstreetmap.org<mailto:h...@openstreetmap.org> > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot<https:// > lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot>____ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > HOT mailing list > > h...@openstreetmap.org<mailto:h...@openstreetmap.org> > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot<https:// > lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot>____ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > t...@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >
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