*surprised, not “sororities“ On Sat 11. May 2019 at 01:21, Naomi Slater <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ross, > > Geertjan’s “humor” was racist, transsexist, and disrespectful. mine was > deserved, after a long thread of him engaging in bad faith. so no, they are > not comparable and my joke was certainly not “as” unnecessary/unhelpful > > frankly, I am sororities you can’t discern the difference here > > and once again you have chosen to admonished *me* on list instead of the > people who are clearly trolling, engaging in bad faith, or otherwise trying > to frustrate our efforts > > On Sat 11. May 2019 at 01:17, Ross Gardler > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Naomi, >> >> That is as unnecessary and as unhelpful as the "humor" you (rightly) >> pulled Geertjan up on earlier. Lets hold everyone to the same standard. >> >> Ross >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Naomi Slater <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 3:30 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Diversity in a diverse world >> >> productive thread after all >> >> On Sat 11. May 2019 at 00:28, Geertjan Wielenga <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > While you all struggle to figure out how unconscious bias works in >> relation >> > to trans women in on-line communities where no one has a clue about >> whether >> > someone is a trans woman, I'm now actually physically going to >> unsubscribe >> > from this mailing list. >> > >> > Gj >> > >> > On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 12:02 AM Shane Curcuru <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > Mark Thomas wrote on 5/10/19 4:22 PM: >> > > > On 10/05/2019 20:55, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: >> > > >> Yes, I have a lot to learn — for example, I don’t know nor care >> about >> > > the >> > > >> sexual or gender orientation of anyone in the Apache community >> where >> > I’m >> > > >> focused on: Apache NetBeans. >> > > >> >> > > >> Can you simply explain why any of this matters, when I cannot >> possibly >> > > >> discriminate against anyone’s sexual or gender orientation since >> code >> > > and >> > > >> coding do not reflect or express these orientations in any way >> > > >> > > True, but code is not the most important question: community is. >> It's a >> > > cornerstone of the Apache Way, and is both a widely used catchphrase >> > > across the ASF as well as being specifically documented: >> > > >> > > >> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org%2Ftheapacheway%2Findex.html&data=01%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C6145e19808c14dff433308d6d5973751%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=%2Bft8FCdio26sv5bW6azA3PTL6IsPUIpOxWUnnSMl85c%3D&reserved=0 >> > > >> > > > If all contributions at the ASF were anonymous that would be true. >> But >> > > > they are not. >> > > >> > > Project communities are made of of people. Long-term project >> longevity >> > > relies on attracting new people to contribute to our projects: yes, >> they >> > > bring code, but they also improve the community. >> > > >> > > > A couple of things to consider: >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Ftechnology%2F2016%2Ffeb%2F12%2Fwomen-considered-better-coders-hide-gender-github&data=01%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C6145e19808c14dff433308d6d5973751%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=vU%2FNGhNuRX%2Bb5pHIXLd335nN8wYwRZq%2Bb0n%2F%2FtXvv88%3D&reserved=0 >> > > >> > > The underlying study from 2016 is thorough and has disappointing data: >> > > >> > > >> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpeerj.com%2Farticles%2Fcs-111%2F&data=01%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C6145e19808c14dff433308d6d5973751%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=zBL5ghAI2tOm9MxOD45ObHo%2BHvhhf8T6ECXnDTafF8M%3D&reserved=0 >> > > >> > > > Google "Unconscious bias" >> > > >> > > A great Monktoberfest conference talk addressed this very same issue - >> > > in a small scale, but with some very specific results: >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DoJ17en7-MwY%26list%3DPLvsKqlNNP3R8HobEa53Noe7xcDJFg0dop%26index%3D5&data=01%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C6145e19808c14dff433308d6d5973751%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=TiR7w9hZiZ6Bl7LvfpBxCxiTqOFC2jdYoFkmVYkXnfM%3D&reserved=0 >> > > >> > > ...snip... >> > > > I don't want anyone to feel unwelcome at the ASF. If there are >> things I >> > > > can do to make other people feel more welcome then I want to find >> out >> > > > about them. >> > > >> > > Bonus Monktoberfest talk I found useful: Better Living Through Empathy >> > > >> > > >> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DqcpVs-7d6Ys&data=01%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C6145e19808c14dff433308d6d5973751%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=MUtD5q0I2eWeVnwOD78RMZcFZXJ9uc4sS2lv%2BloLwus%3D&reserved=0 >> > > >> > > -- >> > > >> > > - Shane >> > > Member >> > > The Apache Software Foundation >> > > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >> > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >> > > >> > > >> > >> >
