I'm definitely not an expert in this area, but want to share some thoughts:
1) If this group wants to be open and transparent then the number of mailing lists will not matter. Trolls will find any public mailing list. Well-intentioned newbies will not understand which list to choose from. They'll just pick one. So we might as well just have one list for now. 2) IMO, "Patience" has two meanings: a) waiting, and b) not reacting. I don't think Gris meant that we should wait out the trolls and keep answering them. Instead, each troll should be seen as an opportunity to practice and hone a proper response that shuts down the troll and allows everyone else to continue making progress. IMO, I still see too much reacting on this list. Reacting is what the trolls want from us. They want you to divert your energy to them. The trolls will not go away anytime soon. I think we'll be better off expecting that some of our energy will be diverted by trolls and spend some energy on minimizing how much energy goes to them. The FAQ will hopefully help in that regard. My 2 cents, -Alex On 5/13/19, 2:38 PM, "Matt Sicker" <[email protected]> wrote: And patience is fairly difficult when dealing with obvious concern trolls. That has been especially annoying on members@, board@, etc, where we’re supposed to assume good faith. However, only one side in the game takes a loss when doing so in an iterated game. I’d rather not summarize the depressing relationship between game theory and discourse, but I hope you get the idea. On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 16:29, Matt Sicker <[email protected]> wrote: > As a project, it could use dev@ and user@ like typical projects. User > list for questions, dev list for research and actions. It sort of makes > sense. > > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 16:23, Joan Touzet <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 2019-05-13 16:37, Griselda Cuevas wrote: >> > Teaching by preaching is what will earn us respect, credibility and >> > authority to speak of this topic. >> >> Gris, can I ask what you mean by "preaching" in this context? >> >> For me this has a very negative connotation and feels out of place in a >> secular organisation such as the ASF. >> >> -Joan >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >> >> -- > Matt Sicker <[email protected]> > -- Matt Sicker <[email protected]>
