An identity is a set of assertions concerning a particular subject
identifier.
Well sure, that's pretty obvious though isn't it? dmd0 included a simple
information model along those lines. Is Dave saying this should be
pulled up to a higher level? I think that DIX could work within the
context of many alternative information models... In dmd0 we move
properties that have a name and a value. That's it. Simple to map
onto the X500 or relational models or whatever.
The above sort of exchange is a good one, among specialists in the identity and
x.500 kind of world.
Unfortunately, it is not so useful for the larger community that is expected to
implement or *use* these services.
Yet those are the folk who will adopt or not adopt the output of the working
group.
If the working group's planned output cannot be described in a way that such
folk will a) understand, and b) see immediate need for, then the dix working
group will be another marginalized standards effort.
>> That presumes an Internet community consensus about both the meaning
>> of the term identity, as it will be used here, and the architecture
>> for it.
>>
>> I haven't noticed either present in the IETF arena, so I suspect you
>> have some educating to do.
>
> You could join the IIW group.
I think this underscores the disconnect that concerns me.
The task of bringing work into the IETF entails the obligation of recruiting the
IETF community (and the rest of the Internet community) to understand and
embrace the prior work. What it does NOT entail is telling the IETF (and
larger) world that they should go and become familiar with the prior work,
especially when the implication is that they are excluded from the dialogue
until they do that outside (and unbounded) homework.
(For reference, my own recent experiences with DKIM's efforts to come into the
IETF have reminded me quite starkly of the difference between these perspectives.)
d/
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Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
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