Sorry, looks like I was wrong about batman. It can work with django, I just forget sometimes that more people watch movies than write web apps.
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 3:34 AM, Doug Snyder <[email protected]> wrote: > Another interesting library just launched is Webbot ( > http://www.webbot.ws/Home ). This is actually a python lib intended for > django and app engine that lets you write generalized front end UI's using > python and has a GUI that helps you build them by generating python for the > UI without writing any code. It looks like an awesome idea, but I'm sure > its not super mature yet but it looks like an abstract frame work that can > be built off to build in support for what ever front end technologies you > choose. It would be cool to see this project grow and for people to > contribute code that adapts the abstract python UI representations to > different javascript and front end libraries and technologies. The author, > Timothy Crosley is on this Google Group and Webbot also has its own Google > Group here: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!forum/webbot > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 2:12 AM, Doug Snyder <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Another framework I looked at is SproutCore. This seems to be more >> focused around widgets like many javascript libraries have been before it. >> I'm not sure how extensible these widgets are and how quickly I would run >> into limitations of using them for things they weren't specifically >> designed for. >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Doug S <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I hope this is OK to talk Javascript in this Django group, I'm hoping >>> its relevant to enough Django folks to not be distracting. >>> I'm relatively new to Django, but my impression is that a few years ago >>> most django people prescribed to the wisdom of keeping javascript to a >>> minimum and just using simple JQuery to do simple tasks. Now I think heavy >>> Javascript usage is more of reality especially with the shift to more >>> mobile web apps, and that the Javascript community is stepping up and >>> providing some nice frameworks that can make django people feel a little >>> more at home using javascript, more high level frameworks that use MVC >>> architecture. I'm starting a few projects where I'll want to essentially >>> mirror my django models on the front end to allow editing with out page >>> refreshes, front end form validation, and switching between views that are >>> downloaded in one request but displayed only according to the state of the >>> front end javascript view state. I want nice seemless AJAX communcation >>> between the front and back end. I'm aware of a few Javascript libraries >>> that are focused around these things and improving javascript web app >>> development in general. KnockOutJS caught my eye at first and I did some >>> work with that. I found some things worked really fast and really easy, but >>> then once I tried more complex things I saw what I think where limitations >>> in its extensibility. Since I'm pretty inexperienced with it, I'm not sure >>> if this was my lack of experience or deficiencies in the framework. Then I >>> found out about Ember,js and it seemed to me like a more complete framework >>> ( it tagline is 'Ambitious Web Apps' ) that could probably handle almost >>> any situation that I would use it for, although for simple views it >>> required a tad more code to be written than KnockOutJS. My first experience >>> with Ember last weekend was pretty frustrating, working off what looks like >>> the only example in the docs and finding myself buried in errors that were >>> entirely foreign to me. This may be beginners luck but I also heard someone >>> more experienced express frustration with the learning curve and lack of >>> examples in the docs. I've just become aware of a number of Javascript >>> libraries that seem to do related things that will be useful for my needs >>> above. AngularJS I think is gaining popularity quickly and seems to be >>> selling itself as a simple solution that can be extended in any variety of >>> ways ( much like django ). I tend to feel good about trusting Google but I >>> wonder if what I think is a more structured approach in Ember js is a wiser >>> choice for me. I've also read about Spine, which describes itself as a >>> simple lightweight MVC framework. Backbone is apparently a library entirely >>> concerned with front end data models but not databinding or routing. I >>> found a library called Batman intended for Rails but since a Google search >>> for django and batman is all about movies and not programming I'm guessing >>> no one has adapted this JS lib for django. All of what I'm writing is not >>> based on expertise or experience, what I'm really hoping for is some hints >>> from django people about what they use or what the pros and cons of the >>> different options for javascript frameworks are, and to encourage >>> discussion about this that might be useful to a lot of django people >>> looking to bridge the front end with backend. 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