[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Here's my anecdote on that.
>
> Even though it was literally staring me in the face, it took me AGES to
> discover that the error dump page is actually interactive and has
> little sections that expand and collapse.
> I kept running into error messages which told me about exceptions in
> the Django source code (this is the top part of the error page) and I
> kept thinking "well, where's the bloody use in that??? I want to know
> what MY error was! Grmbl.".
>
> It took me at least two weeks (yes, sometimes I really *am* that dense)
> until I scrolled down and explored and figured out that there was the
> information that I had been wanting all along.
> Somehow, the styles, fonts and layout choices of the error page (lots
> of text, lots of grey) made it totally non-intuitive for me that it was
> interactive.

You're not the only one. It took me quite a while to figure that out,
too. In fact, I only figured it out because I saw someone post a
screenshot to a blog one time and I was thinking "why does his
traceback show more source lines and the variable values?! Its not
fair!"

I was always afraid to admit that it took me so long to figure it out.
But now that you've come out of the closet...

I agree that the UI could be tweaked to make it more obvious, like
changing "Local vars" to "Click here to show local vars". I also don't
understand why the code and variables are hidden by default (which is
where I want to look 99% of the time) and the request and settings
information is expanded (where I end up finding the answer about 1% of
the time).

But pointing out these little things is the first part of the process
of making Django better. And it _does_ keep getting better, even over
the short period of time that I've been using it.

-Dave


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