On 20/05/2018 3:52 AM, Melvyn Sopacua wrote:
On donderdag 17 mei 2018 00:44:32 CEST Mike Dewhirst wrote:
More advanced users tend to focus on the more advanced problems and
that's the way it should be.
Not always true. You tend to focus on things that show research and effort.
The level of competence then doesn't matter. It just so happens that anyone
who loadshttp://localhost:8000/ during the tutorial and gets a 404, then
tells the group the tutorial is wrong, clearly doesn't show research (asked
and answered a gazillion times) nor effort (read the tutorial again to see
your mistake, ans yes, it's possible to read over it again and again and not
see it, which is why you should use the search-before-asking algorithm).
So it looks as though more advanced users focus on more advanced problems, but
that certainly isn't the case - it just coincides with the fact that beginner
problems are often thrown into the group without any thought or research.
That is a very fair point Melvyn - and diplomatically very well put.
And can I just say, sometimes with an attitude unbecoming of someone who wants
others to spend time on his/her problems. But that's the nature of Open Source
communities.
I agree. But it doesn't happen very often on this list.
This is rather elaborate, but should be any forum's charter:
http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
I'm not so sure wrt this forum. The first paragraph in that page
indicates to me it applies to ancient forums like some of the old Linux
lists where the "tough love" approach is very popular. In this forum, I
think the culture is historically more gentle and professionally
diplomatic. As you are proving :)
My focus in this thread was to maybe find a way to help newcomers who
have difficulty with documentation (and maybe with language) but for any
reason. You have to admit such people exist.
I do admit there are some lazy ones who fit the description in the
abovementioned first paragraph but they are surely children.
On reflection we probably only need another dot point "Other Django
resources" appended to the "First steps" list -
https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.11/#first-steps
The link might say ... "Books, videos, training, tutorials" and point to
a summary page somewhere which further points to youtube videos from
conference sessions, tutorial videos, various books, training sites and
websites such as Django Girls and so on. Perhaps also the Django
tutorial source code nicely commented with links to the docs?
As I said earlier, I don't know where such a page should be hosted nor
how it should be laid out or updated but I'm sure if the community feels
it is valuable someone will see an opportunity and step up. Maybe it
already exists?
Then newcomers asking questions which more or less prove they haven't
looked at the docs - for whatever reason sometimes legitimate, sometimes
not - could be pointed to that page perhaps with an additional
recommendation for a particular resource to consume first.
I think I've probably said enough ...
Cheers
Mike
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