Phil, Thanks for the pointers. I guess my thinking on this is that if someone feels a question is too trite to warrant and answer, they shouldn't answer. I don't think this group is called 'advanced django users', thus I don't really feel bad for posting 'newbie' questions. I appreciate all answers, it's just the steady stream (not only to me) of dismissive 'I'll make 'em feel lousy' comments which bother me.
On May 6, 2:45 pm, Phil Mocek <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 10:17:29AM -0700, jrs_66 wrote: > > This is definitely the most angry forum I've ever seen... the > > kicker is that the anger is almost always coming from the people > > associated with the django project... hmmm.. > > In your previous thread, someone from the Django project helpfully > offered to assist you, but you ignored every question he asked in > his effort to better understand your question -- even after I > pointed this out in case you had done it by mistake, as tends to > happen when people mix posting styles, as you continue to do > despite notification that it is nearly-universally considered bad > etiquette to do so. > > <http://groups.google.com/group/django-users/msg/c720c6d39ad7518e> > > After people took the time to discuss your problem with you, you > dropped the conversation. It has been five days since then. > Consider what effect this might have on other people's willingness > to take the time to help you. > > I'm not angry, and I don't intend to be mean, I'm just telling you > how it is. I can't give you a pat on the back or whatever else > might soften things for you over e-mail. I believe you > misperceive this anger you describe, although when it seems that > you are wasting other people's time, it tends to make them angry, > so you might have detected some anger. The solution is not to > complain about perceived anger then, "take your ball and leave," > but to consider what you're doing that might be causing the > trouble, and stop doing it. > > When people suggest that you Read The Fine Manual, it's usually an > indication that they believe you are being lazy and asking for > help when you could simply read the documentation -- that which > others have generously provided for you -- and help yourself. > They themselves probably did this. > > As a general reference on what you should do before posting a > question to a technical forum such as this list, you may want to > take a look at > <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before>. In > order to make it clear that you *have* already read the > documentation, simply state so in your message and explain what > you have learned, what confuses you, and what else you want to > know. Teaching you how to find answers should be much more useful > to you than simply answering your questions, so you might consider > being grateful to those who did so instead of simply ignoring you. > > You might also want to take a look at: > <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#not_losing> > > The document to which I have linked is not authoritative, and is > definitely not filled with ideas that are accepted on this > particular list, but I've found that it makes a lot of sense and > helps newbies to understand why things are they way they are in > many technical forums. I believe you'd be well off to read it. > I'm certainly no authority, but I honestly believe that my > responses to posts like yours free up people who know Django well > to help solve more interesting problems than tutoring newbies on > mailing list etiquette. > > Good luck. > > -- > Phil Mocek --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
