Mr. Valdillez,
I don't really want to argue that 2by2 is or isn't a good business that pushes their
products. I think Dave's article sums it up, and it does leave it up to you. I just
wanted to give my personal experience. And it may just be me, but if 2by2 signed up
people and didnt charge a fee and those people did just sit on their butt, what would
they be losing? And AOL is expensive and there are other internet services out there.
But then again, you dont have to pay a fee and do some work to start using most
internet services either.
Either way, everyone do your own research and make the decision yourself. I was just
trying to give my own personal experience from having checked out this type of
business for about 4 months about 6 years ago. I just didn't like it, and if you
really attend all the meetings and find out what they are about, i think you'll see
that you're screwing someone in the end or getting screwed yourself.
Anyways, enough said.
James
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12/06/2001 Subject: RE: [D] great opportunity? not
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11:29 AM
hrm.
i think i'm too busy today to get into email debates, but i did want to
point out to Mr. Valdillez something. (please dont' take this
personally):
this list is pretty much unmoderated for the most part, and that's because
it's mostly a collection of peeps who know Denise and want to hear about
upcoming shows and sometimes chat about various offtopic things rave
related, or not rave related. its a fun little chat list, and stays
reletively low traffic and the annoyance level is pretty much non-existent
to me. (want some annoying high traffic? join sf-raves for a day!
hehe). in fact, that's why i really like this list. it is one of the few
that i've found that has very little chaff: pretty much all the stuff i
read on it is funny, useful, or at least interesting and everyone on this
list seems pretty cool and normal. (no foofoo ravers here!)
however - *your* email was probably the first one i've read since joining
this list that was annoying to read. why? because it reads the same way
as an unsolicited spam email reads. and every one of your replys reads
like a conversation with a used car salesman. even the subject line
sounds like spam! it's hard to look at it from any point of view except
that it is an uninvited invasion of someone trying to make money off of
you, and/or push an unwanted agenda of something totally unrelated to any
topics here. if you have been on this list for a while, you would realize
that your email will have no effect whatsoever on 99% of us! this isn't
the "broke people looking for get-rich-quick schemes" list. it is a waste
of time for you to send it, it is a waste of the resources of the list,
and it is a waste of time for the people who have to download it, store
it, read it, and discard it. this defines spam, sir. unwanted,
unsolicted email.
who knows? maybe you are a close friend of Denise or someone on this list
and i am putting my foot in my mouth. however, i think i can safely say
that emails like this are so off topic that you cannot really expect to
send it out and not get a negative response. and i would be quite
suprised if you find anyone to recruit here for your little endeavors.
my suggestion would be to do some good old fashioned investigation and
find a group who would actually be interested in your proposal before
tossing it around into dozens of peoples emailboxes that you know
absolutly nothing about.
again - nothing personal. i just already get enough junk email every day
without having to wade through stuff like this. if you want to send out
emails like this, you should do it on a person to person basis so people
can opt out of it. at this point, there is no way to avoid your emails
except to unsubscribe from the list or set up a filter on my end to
automatically delete your emails. and both of those options are something
that i'm not interested in doing, and i'm sure most of the people on this
list would rather not either.
.oOo.
On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Miguel Valdillez wrote:
> James...
> I'm sorry about what may have happened to you and your endeavors. What you
> say is correct, but 2by2 does preach is their products and services. Their
> access to the internet is much cheaper than say an AOL. ISP for 2by2 is
> only $17.95 a month, $14.95 a month is you pay for a full year, and then
> it's free if you refer 10 other people. Then you have AOL which costs $24 a
> month. Yes... I do admit it's like a pyramid, but it does pay you back.
> They offer cash back incentives by shopping on their web site.
>
> They can't offer to allow people to just join without paying, because they
> do say that everyone can do it. What they did just let everyone join up
> front and not pay. That person sits on their ass and does nothing. So 2by2
> gets screwed. No, that's not going to happen. Shit I wouldn't run by
> business that way. They just give you the chance and what you do with it is
> your business.
>
> Honestly, this is not my job. I have a day job. I have no intention of
> quitting my day job. I have a good job. But if there is a way to make more
> money. Then damn it show me the way. I don't have time to take on another
> real job. This allows me do it when I want and when I can.
>
> Everyone.... Really look at my web site and decide for yourself.
>
> Here it is again.... www.2by2.net/magic13 click (learn more) and continue
> and
> watch the presentation.
>
