i wasnt going to add my two cents but... at the rally on Sunday I saw a lot of posters that said "Fuck Bush", "Bush is an Idiot", "Bush is a Weanie", you get the point...flaming without saying anything constructive doesn't help anyone and most of the time its just annoying...and actually all these recent e-mails that tell others whats correct to say and whats not are just as worthless...I'm only finally deciding to comment cuz everyone wants to bash their friends and actually thats kind of fun, but all this bashing across the various rave lists just seem annoying...its kind of like sitting on the bus while a guy talks shit on his cell phone to his girlfriend...nobody wants to hear it...
What people never understand is when the tone of e-mails on a rave list turn political, it almost always then becomes personal...but not everyone on this list knows everyone and attacking others beliefs, ignorant or not, just creates chaos...anarchy has its place, and everyone thinks being an anarchist is cool and shit, that is until they get attacked themselves...then it becomes a mindless battle of who is bigger and badder by how many negative things they can say... if some of these people you need to bash IS your friend, a small request...don't reply ALL...I really do want to read what everyone is saying but if every other e-mail is mindless bashing without saying anything it can get old kind of fast...The recent crisis in the Middle East and the marines e-mail in question has created a tension on the list that has nothing to do with raves...I dont mind talking about non rave related stuff, I think its great, but politics makes interesting debates turn ugly and boring real quick...I don't agree with everything that is being said, but I do wish I could read the competing views without dealing with the childish nonsense...I'd not so arrogant that I'm convinced my cache of wisdom is all I'll ever need to learn...THAT's what I see out of the Bush Administration, not even willing to listen to views different from theirs... saying that, I expect some percentage of this list to write me off as stupid and proceed to rack their minds trying to find the best way to bash me...I hate the things Bush is doing and until I attended the protest I hadn't realized my Bush bashing was just as meaningless...These protests all around the world made all the Bush bashing more meaningful because now we are actually venting TO Bush's face...I know he discounted us the very next day, but thats o.k., the protest in January was much smaller than the one this past Sunday and the one planned for March 1 should be even bigger,...and as it will probably play out, when Bush goes to war anyways, the Protests will get bigger and bigger...these organizers have learned from their anti-Vietnam brothers, and even though this crisis should never be confused with the Vietnam war, this generation has a much higher profile and they can use the media too... sadly the protests were harmed a little when fringe extremists decided to raise the stakes...I wont go as far as to say they only did it for the exposure, but it did put the otherwise peaceful demonstration of unity in a somewhat tarnished light...those with narrow minds would group all the organizations together in their condemnation of the event, not understanding every cause has its extremists...hopefully most people on the fence the past few months will realize this is a worth cause and a very safe environment for kids, families, wanting to see history in the making... another thing that bothers me is the feeling flowing through the original thread that somehow participating in the anti-war protests is somehow anti-troops...they call us cowards and make references to Hitler or the Cold War like this crisis is comparable...I don't even know how to answer that because what we are saying is we don't want our friends and family in the military to even take the chance of dying in such a needless conflict...My family and friends in the military don't even consider my position as non-supportive, why though all these reactionary hateful comments towards people who just don't want their brother, son or father to die? flaming is fun has its place and time...this list is a pretty good example of that...but what happens is someone offers a serious topic to an otherwise fun environment and before long people are attacking each others virility...if they were standing in front of each other they would be yelling just to prove their point...I am a fairly big guy who could easily use my size to intimidate people into agreeing with me, but I learned when I was young that being bigger doesn't mean right...I'm afraid this administration (who am I kidding, this is any president) would disagree with me and proves might makes right every chance they get...there are consequences to this recklessness and Sept 11 was just the beginning...I don't hope these things happen like close minded critics want to claim, thats why I attend protests and peace rallies...I hope people just stop and think a little harder what their actions and words can do to others... sorry for the long e-mail guys...sunday's rally gave me some great feelings I just wanted to pass on to my friends...the world has a lot of tough questions facing humans these days and if I've learned anything finishing college it was there are no easy answers... peace, da' every-raving Wolf --- Solomon Eisenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shut up you bitch! > > > > "Dr. L. Lee Bosley personaly trains each of his > physicians to ensure the > finest quality in hair restoration." -- Anonymous > > > > > > >From: "DOUBLE-FISTER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: [D] re: re: re: nrr: marines > >Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 17:00:48 -0600 > > > >this isn't a pissing contest, nor is it a flame. > > > >i just want to understand why is it ok for anyone > to insult someone who > >doesn't agree with > >him. agree to disagree is fine, but when someone > starts throwing insults > >out, it's pretty > >paradoxical and not only that, the person is even > more less likely to see > >the point one is > >trying to argue. sort of a digging in the heels > reflex. > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________ > >The D mailing list > http://www.djdenise.com/ > >Check out the new forum! > http://www.djdenise.com/forum/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. 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