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On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:54 PM, "John R Levine" <[email protected]> wrote:

>> The receiver acted as the DMARC policy told him to.
> 
> Correct.  The problem is that the sender was (even though he didn't
> realize it) lying about his actual policy.

As Franck alluded to, there is no "actual policy" aside from the one published 
in a DMARC record.

>> Exceptions to the rule needs to be carefully understood and remain as 
>> exceptions.
> 
> Correct.  The sender should publish p=none to describe his actual policy. No 
> exceptions needed, although given that this sort of sender confusion is not 
> going away, a certain number of exceptions would likely limit the collateral 
> damage.

I suggest staying away from attempting to divine the will of the sender to 
establish "actual policy" and instead use the published policy in the DMARC 
record.

If you're a receiver and you make exceptions when applying policy, go ahead and 
use the "override" flags in the XML spec.  This is why they're there, by design.

If you're a sender and you discover a service that is making use of your domain 
in From: headers, that's great!  This is why the feedback component was 
invented.   If your current p= policy is too aggressive, relax it, thats why 
there are different policies to pick from.

> 
>> In that case PayPal CAN know and correct the problem so they should and not 
>> the receiver.
> 
> Paypal didn't do anything wrong.  Please, can we not have the "everyone in 
> the world has to rewrite their mail systems so SPF can handle it" argument 
> again?

John, you keep mentioning this, but I don't see anyone arguing.  PayPal is 
neither right nor wrong, they simply want to make their email compatible with 
DMARC.

HTH,
=- Tim
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