On May 8, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Shal Farley <[email protected]> wrote:

> Douglas,
> 
> > A marketing advantage would be afforded to domains willing to do the
> > "right thing" by indicating to recipients via a lightweight
> > transaction whether a specific domain should be excluded from
> > receiving a reject or quarantine.
> 
> I know nothing of the legal argument, but as an email user I would argue that 
> should be a Sender domain, instead of or alternative to a From domain. That 
> would let me exclude the email lists of which I'm a member.
> 
> That is, I'm perfectly content to let DMARC take out all the scam/spam 
> messages with forged AOL addresses, even those pretending to be from lists. I 
> expressly do /not/ want to whitelist all of AOL. But I want to allow into my 
> Inbox messages from AOL via lists that I know. It would be icing on this cake 
> if the list's own SPF or DKIM signature (if present) were used to 
> authenticate that the message came via the list I know.
> 
> Making the whitelist personal to each receiving user avoids the costs and 
> other disadvantages of setting up a "list authority", but it does violate the 
> "you can't teach the user anything" principle, and it is also outside the 
> scope of DMARC itself.

Dear Shal,

Sorry about being slow to respond.  I am working on a document that should 
permit Author-Domains a means to assert exceptions permitted for specific 
authenticated domains (based on their review of DMARC feedback as a means to 
permit actual user behaviors.).  This is information recipients simply do not 
have and represents something that only the Author-Domain should be making.  
Authentication can use any number of methods such as SPF, DKIM, or even TLS and 
also stipulate content of a List-ID and/or Sender header field.  I should have 
a version ready shortly to be published as an I-D.  This might move rfc6541 to 
historic (if things go well).

Regards,
Douglas Otis
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