----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <[email protected]>
> To: "José Ferreira" <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected]
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 6:22:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC and Bounces (was: Indirect Mail Flows)
> 
> They are "rare" in the context of email in general, perhaps, but in
> the case of mailing lists they aren't rare at all.  (Note, I don't
> know if DMARC presents special issues for mailing list bounces, aside
> from the bounces already produced because of subscribers whose MTAs
> interpret "p=reject" as "return to apparent Sender".  I'm not talking
> about the latter, which is already well-known.  I'm talking about
> issues where a user cancels a mailbox, and the receiving MTA generates
> bounces back to the list.)
> 

I probably should call it DSNs.

The bounces you mention involve a third party ( the Ml or forwarder ) but I was 
referring to DSN generated by the domain owner. 
I'm talking about the scenario where you have a security gateway that accepts 
the email and them the message store reject it.This scenario the domain owner 
is not depending on the goodwill of others but only from himself.

Like is said, they are rare but important. And some domain owners may not adopt 
p=reject for that reason.  

Jose Borges Ferreira

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