> >> Both of these are indeed normative in usage, but I was under the 
> >> impression that one could not
> >> refer to I-Ds as normative.
> >
> > One can't, so that means that this document will be held by the RFC
> > Editor in a "MISSREF" (missing reference) state until both of the I-D
> > are also in the RFC Editor queue.  Then this document will move ahead.
>
> True, but being "afraid of a MISSREF" is not a good enough reason to pretend 
> that a Normative
> reference is Informative.

Of course not, and I didn't mean to imply that it was.  I was
explaining that we *can* send the document forward with a missing
normative reference.  "We" do not have to wait for it to clear; the
RFC Editor will.

Barry

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