Neither SPF nor DKIM use the PSL, so I still don't understand.  What do you 
mean by "authentication testing"?

Scott K

On October 31, 2021 11:30:29 AM UTC, Douglas Foster 
<[email protected]> wrote:
>We have two issues floating here:
>1) For policy lookup, replace the PSL with a constrained tree walk.
>2) For authentication testing, replace the PSL with something based on the
>policy lookup.
>
>Currently, the DMARC policy has nothing to do with the authentication
>test.
>
>If the second idea is still on the table, we need a definition and a
>defense of the algorithm.   If the suggestion is withdrawn, please say so.
>
>Doug Foster
>
>On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 3:56 PM Scott Kitterman <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On October 30, 2021 6:20:19 PM UTC, Alessandro Vesely <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >On Fri 29/Oct/2021 23:29:13 +0200 Scott Kitterman wrote:
>> >> On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 10:09:13 PM EDT John Levine wrote:
>> >>> It appears that Scott Kitterman  <[email protected]> said:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Until we understand what we want, overall, selecting a specific
>> design to
>> >>>> achieve that goal is premature.  Both of those approaches will give a
>> >>>> wrong answer (at least as I'd define it) for less usual cases.
>> >>>
>> >>> Yup.  I think I was the first person to propose a tree-walk, so here is
>> >>> roughly what I was thinking:
>> >>>
>> >>> The problem with organizational domain is that it is ill-defined.  It
>> waves
>> >>> its hands and says to use something like the PSL, and in practice
>> everyone
>> >>> uses the PSL.
>> >
>> >
>> >That usage has proven to work quite well.  And some respect for the
>> installed
>> >base wouldn't hurt.
>>
>> The alternative I suggested is 100% compatible with the installed base.
>> If a domain has published DMARC policy per RFC 7489, the proposed new
>> approach will still find it.  I agree that something which would require
>> existing DMARC records to be changed would be a non-starter.
>>
>> I'm not sure how much more respectful we can manage to be.
>>
>>  Scott K
>>
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