On Saturday, August 5, 2023 3:59:02 PM EDT John Levine wrote:
> It appears that Scott Kitterman  <[email protected]> said:
> >>When receivers apply the "MUST NOT reject" in Section 8.6 to accept
> >>unauthenticated messages as quarantined messages, receivers SHOULD
> >>carefully review how they forward mail traffic to prevent additional
> >>security risk.  That is, this downgrade can enable spoofed messages that
> >>are SPF DMARC authenticated with a fraudulent From identity despite having
> >>an associated strong DMARC policy of "p=reject". ...
> 
> We all realize that SPF has problems, but I really do not want to fill
> up the DMARC document with text that says "you can authenticate with
> SPF, hahaha no just kidding."
> 
> The way to fix Microsoft's forwarding SPF problem is for Microsoft to put
> the forwarding user's bounce address on the message, not for us to tell
> the entire world to use kludgy workarounds.

I agree.  We need to be careful to solve protocol problems in the protocol and 
leave fixing implementation problems to implementers.  We aren't going to 
protocol our way out of bad implementation decisions.

Scott K


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