thanks for your input & putting you time into this,
there're some usefull tips in here

the volume settings is something I can't really translate to a all-software setup, so 
if
people have more tips concerning that, I'd be happy to see those get posted.


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On 2 Jan 2002, at 11:19, Daniel Norman wrote:

> Hi all and happy new year,
>
> In response to Jurgen's mail, I've been using my 3 compressors for a few
> months now (Alesis 3630, Alesis Nanocompressor and a Behringer Ultrafex
> Multiband) and a couple of things have become apparent. This stuff mainly
> applies to the 3630 as it is a generic type and its my most useful tool for
> mashing breaks and basslines into shape whereas I find the other 2 are still
> very good but better for ironing out the main mix (Behringer) or pads and
> noises (Nano) etc.
>
> 1) Always try to use mono bass, breaks, hits and hats etc - it sounds far
> better and for smaller, basic studios it allows you to use individual
> channels on a compressor for the beats and bass (see below) - nice and cheap
> for budgets
>
> 2) Combining the beats and the bass on the same compressor channel(s) will
> make the beats pump in and out as the bass drags the volume of the beats
> down everytime it activates the compressor(this might possibly sound good to
> some ears but doesn't make for a very solid, constant sound and this is what
> the whole point of compression is - ie most people would avoid this on the
> main elements of a track, but it could possibly be used creatively on less
> critical sounds).
>
> 3) Even if you only have one compressor on 2 channel inserts to your mixer -
> use it in dual mono mode and have the beats on one side (channel) and the
> main bass in your tune on the other one and compress them separately (just
> play round with the controls - if it sounds good - do it). I guess most
> people know this, but if you are new to this area - please do this and then
> try telling me it doesn't make your tune 100% more solid, controllable and
> driving than before. Plus each sound (bass and beats) is entirely separate
> from the other intrusive influence so they sit better in the mix. Job done
> for �70. Just one basic compressor (Alesis, dbx or Behringer etc )used like
> this will make a world of difference to a basic setup.
>
> The problem of conflicting low frequencies between the bass and the drums
> will never be eliminated by separate compression (whole different ballgame)
> but it will allow you enough control to the extent you dont have to worry
> about it so much. Use the mixer eq to sort it out - cut the bass on the
> breaks.
> Drums usually have lighter compression round about 2:1 whereas the bass
> might need to be squashed down with a 4:1 ratio and try a lower output
> volume for that subtle sub damage - or try this with both sides set up with
> the same.
> Both sounds generally need fast attack and fast release settings so the
> sounds stay punchy and the comp keeps up with each new sound.
> For beats and bass, use Peak mode not RMS as it then responds to each new
> sound in turn not the overall level (more responsive) and just try soft or
> hard knee compression for personal taste (might not be that much audible
> difference)
> For the threshold settings, first try at 0dB or just under so that all the
> sounds are affected and then experiment...
>
> With the volumes, use max volume on all your synth modules/samplers main
> controls, then put all the faders at 0dB on the mixer and use the trim until
> your loudest sounds are just about peaking red. This sets the mixer up so
> that all dynamics processing (comp and EQ) inserted into the mixer is
> working at full efficiency. When this is done, have a listen to the set up
> at a normal volume with nothing playing - you shouldn't hear any hiss as
> this sometimes comes from trim levels set too high on a mixer channel.
>
> I could go on, but i'll leave it till next time and besides, i have to get
> back to trying to learn AutoCad.
> Hope the stuff above makes a difference (unless you have already tried it).
> Still it might be useful to others...
>
> Laters
>
>
> Dan
>
> Jeez, I can;t believe i just had 10 days off work - its like i never
> left....bah
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jurgen Baute [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 21 December 2001 06:11
> To: Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List
> Subject: [dnb-prod] More volume issues
>
>
>
> Thanx for all the tips on my previous bassline volume problem,
> after reading a detailed article on intermusic.com I'm sort of beginning to
> grasp what
> compression is all about,
>
> now I've got another volume related question for y'all,
>
> I got that bass in check with a compressor, and I'm doing the same for some
> a simple
> break I put on top to get a feel.
> Both don't clip when played seperatly, but when I play tjem together I see
> my metres go
> red, meaning nasty clipping.
> I understand why this happens, cause both drums and bass have overlapping
> parts in the
> spectrum, but I'm wondering what's the best way of solving this.
>
> I tried putting compression on the whole thing, but that seems to push the
> drums to the
> background.
>
> Generaly I'd like to know how you guys deal with volume settings while
> you're developing
> a track.  I like to play my stuff out loud when I'm making it, which means I
> tend to put
> the volume of each channel up as high as possible, which might not be such a
> good thing
> to do.
> I'm thinking it might be better of turning my speakers up, or my pulling my
> wav-channel
> to the max on my soundcard, and make sure the metres don't go over 2/3's in
> FL itself.
>
> Ideas, reflections, hard earned experience?
> Let me know :)
>
>
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