I gonna try and and be as nice as possible about this question... You've basicly perpetuated the biggest grommet question that this list sees every so many months.
This topic has been beaten to death. So - I'm not trying to be mean - but if I come across with an abounding ounce of cynicism and sarcasm you'll have to just bare with me. When asking about a topic that you _know_ has already been asked about: it's best to check the FAQ on http://www.dnbproduction.com before reposting as you're likely to get an easily irratated old fart of a producer to answer your question becuase he's tired of seeing spam on the same tired ass questions asked in an uneducated fashion. There are plenty of people who have spent many hours creating websites so that the correct information could be dessimenated - instead of repeating the same breakbeat illiterate banter that is so prevalent on this list. If your going to produce DnB - you have to be a solo detective... However - today it's not the same as in my day - I actually went out and dug through thousands of crates in used & new shops to find the actual breakbeats on the actual records that I had investigated facts about - instead of just emailing a list and asking a question. We actually had to obtain hardware samplers instead of software samplers; and there's nothing wrong with software as long as the end result is quality...but the shit sounding software created tracks abound on these lists begging to be listened to daily. Then those posters get pissed off when we don't want to respond after listening to these tracks becuase we think they sound like ass. If we do respond - take it with a grain of salt - it's just an opinion in an email - you can choose to take heed to some advice and ignore other bits of info... but always consider the source of info before jumping to action on their advice. I'm partially responsible for this "Firefight" misnomer as myself and some friends had a website called 113 Audio Resources (RIP) many years ago - in which we gave away breakbeat samples. We allowed people to contribute samples also. One of the more generous individuals to contribute samples was the then male American DnB producer called 1.8.7 (Now Jordana)... At that time "Jo" donated a sample (probably from a Trace or Dom record) where Jo likely sampled their record directly and called the donated sample the "Firefight" break. Jo later had the same samples and many more on her own site. Jo likely called it the Firefight break randomly - as Jo often took other breaks such as the Apache break and called it some random name so that she couldn't be held laible for copyright infringement. The fact that you've now called it the "firefightER" instead of what many people were calling the "firefight" proves an old point I have spouted about before: IF WERE ALL GOING TO BE DISCUSSING THE SAME TOPIC OF BREAK BEATS USED TO PRODUCE DNB WE ALL NEED TO ATTEMPT TO BE USING THE SAME ***CORRECT*** TERMINOLOGY. However in case you don't find it on the FAQ - once again... The non existent break beat misnomer that you and many others refer to as the firefight, firerfightER, Dramen, and Tramen, is actually a combination of two very comonly used breaks. Your "firefighter" is simply the Amen break ("Amen Brother" The Winstons) combined with the BELL ride from the JAMES BROWN (not Maceo) track called "(Do the) Tighten Up" (live in Dallas 1963). If you wanted to get a clean sample of the Amen chances are you could sample any commercial on TV and get a clean copy of that - try the new Toyota Matrix advert the Amen is all that is being used in the background music there. To find the bell ride from the James Brown "Tighten Up" track go buy the double cd called "James Brown Instrumentals" (1960-1969). Here's a link to Amazon.com to buy it in a fatass cd with shitloads of DnB utilized JB breaks. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000001E0K/qid=1013965582/sr=1-14/ref =sr_1_14/103-5122428-0771813 "Belly" ride? A little drum terminology: it's called a BELL ride (cymbal) because it makes a long decaying BELL-like tone or ring-tone instead of a "crash" sound. I really hope that was a typo - but I doubt it as the "y" key is nowhere near those other keys. So don't hate me - thank me. I've just given you all the information you need to do exactly what you're hoping to make a Trace-esque "Amen & Tighten Up" combo break. I'm a big proponent of making mistakes to reach proficiency - but you have to do your homework before raising your hand in class so that you don't resent people telling you you came off as a complete twit. ...in a futile attempt to make a difference... Mike ---> MK2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.madbass.com on 2/17/02 9:20 AM, frankie at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> I'm working on a track w/the firefighter break and the copy I have >> really.. could be better. If any of you have what you consider to be a >> high quality copy of the firefighter break (uncompressed .wav, at least >> 16bit, at least 44khz), I would much appreciate it. > > On the subject of firefight, does anybody know how to get the sort of > belly ride sound that firefight has in it? you know, it almost sounds > like someone's hitting a saucepan lid. > I saw a post on some discussion forum ages ago that said that you can > get it out of some old break (surprise surprise) but I can't remember > what that break was. > > Anyone got any ideas? > --- Drum&Bass Arena Producers Discussion List http://www.breakbeat.co.uk You are currently subscribed to dnb-prod as: [email protected] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
