On 12/21/2014 02:38 PM, hellekin wrote:
On 12/21/2014 02:53 PM, Ayan George wrote:
I have to admit: I've been following the list and Ruben's posts
and I think by in large he makes good points.
*** I think you're right. But his good points are entirely lost with
his aggressive, dismissive, defamatory attitude. Despite that
horrible attitude, Jaromil has been addressing all of his dark
points in a polite manner, and the berserk is still striking.
It is fine to have a loosely organized and headless organization
where we chat about how much we hate systemd, speculate about
naming conventions, etc. It is another to ask for donations to an
effort with nebulous leadership and goals.
*** I don't think anyone here hates anything. Hate is certainly not
the right attitude when the goal is to provide choice. People are
free to donate or not. Most do because they know who they are
dealing with, and there's no mystery about it, contrary to what
Ruben Safir wants to believe.
To be clear: I used "hate" as a rhetorical device. Although there is a
lot of sincere talk about giving choice, you have to admit that there
are quite a few posts from people who really dislike systemd (if not
hate it).
Anyway -- maybe it is a cultural difference but when it comes to
bootstrapping projects I believe the hacker / programmer / FOSS /
whatever subculture prefers to judge projects by their output and so far
Devuan has very little to speak of.
I don't want to belabour this though. I genuinely thought Devuan was
interesting.
Finally I think there is a real problem with the doxing of Ruben Safir.
The so-called "hackers" used public information that he himself
publishes on his personal website so it didn't require any more than a
little googling.
Still -- I think whatever leadership Devuan has should have denounced it
by now.
That's all! Carry on and I'll go back to lurking.
-ayan
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