dear Aldemir,
On Tue, 23 Dec 2014, Aldemir Akpinar wrote: > On 22 December 2014 at 19:26, Jaromil <[1][email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Init Freedom lovers, > > Once again the Veteran Unix Admin collective salutes you! > > <snip> > > Thanks for the updates, it's delightful to hear that things are > happening. Yes, I can imagine a hyatus of 1 month is ahead before the next update. We can expect a lot of things will happen in the meantime: VUAs involved are re-organizing their work commitments to dedicate more time to Devuan, in particular Franco who is our de-fact project leader. > On the mailing list we didn't have any discussions about these > updates like loginkitd or consolekit2 etc. So I'm getting the > impression that, main discussion about this project is on IRC? My > complaint is that following IRC conversations takes too much time > and attention. However I can follow mailing list conversation in a > time which is more suitable and when I don't have much in my mind. > Can we at least make the mailing lists main discussion medium? IRC > is more needed when you need to get hold of someone to get help or > info asap? I doubt we can "force" any behaviour really. Personally I use also IRC for more than asking for help or hanging out, it is very practical and if people know how to use it then is less tl;dr than mailinglists. But yes there are already a couple of /ignore to be put in place. We can fight fragmentation with tools and most important updates (like the weekly newsletter) and information routing. I think we are quite lucky with the devuan-ops irc crew, bots are already in place so maybe even a page with logged links flowing through the channels can be useful. To make this update for instance I do a lot of awk'ing through them. No need to be there all the time if you are good at reading backlogs (/lastlog in irssi helps a lot). > Also someone promised to split the lists, is it going to happen as > well? yes. its my first next task to setup a new separate vps with devuan running mailman and lurker, then we'll have lists.devuan.org and I guess we can start creating language based lists, then context based. If anyone has the time to sketch possible lists organization please do, however I'd rather grow it "LEAN" as the need and request comes by. Initially we had an offer to host lists by a VUA, but he cannot give root access to his machine, so we need a new one because the lists machine should be way more open to participation, with a few ml-ops to handle the request and facilitate creation of lists. > My last question is,will you be moving these projects like > consolekit2 etc,, to [2]git.devuan.org? yes. plus there is a wiki in there which is the one we will use for the project. Gitlab is pretty neat actually and the VUA hosting it has placed it on a very fast server with enough dedicated resources. the idea right now is to simplify the Debian release structure and have only stable and experimental, where experimental will be a staging space for solutions. Franco is already busy documenting things on wikis. We also have a draft "constitution" going, with a lot inherited from Debian, but this will take more time to fix in stone and I'd love to get some expert review from political scientists and ethnographists who can analyze present problems in the Debian process and try to improve the rules of the game. ciao
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