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From: Didier Kryn <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Dng] John Goerzen asks, "Has modern Linux lost its way?" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 11:25:46 +0100 Agreed, Martijn. I know others doing like you. This makes full sense. But there are also people, like me, who are fans of DIY, and have fun assembling things to obtain a nice working Linux desktop (I also install and manage servers). It takes some time, but it is (was?) perfectly doable. I don't think people like me are the target of Gnome, but I thought we were the target of Debian. It must be perfectly doable to have a linux desktop without systemd and policykit, and also without dbus. I am sorry for the guy who gently proposes to maintain dbus on devuan, but I would like if its installation was optionnal, because I would like to see how it can work without it. But, for a desktop, udev, eudev, or vdev is mandatory. I dislike dbus because I find it too complicated and do-it-all, although I understand the motivation for it. Also, as far as I remember, it is too much C++-minded. I have been programming in C from the beginning of the 80's and loved it, but I think C++ is wrong by design (personal thought), although I have no choice but to use programs written in that language, as well as Perl, Python and Ruby, which I have no opinion about. Same kind of dislike towards network-manager. This is the first package I use to remove after installing Debian. The reason: I don't know really what it does and how, but it goes in the middle of my way. I am well off with ifplugd, wpa_supplicant and a roaming configuration of wlan0. After its decision to force systemd in, Debian should rename itself Debian-Gnome-Linux, and I hope Devuan will truely be Devuan-Gnu-Linux. There's no harm in having several OS based on the same kernel. After all, there's already Busybox-Linux, this is a fact; Busybox's not Gnu; and similar projects. Didier Le 12/02/2015 06:33, Martijn Dekkers a écrit : > > About 5 to 6 years ago, I came to a point where I found that I was > spending more time making things work then actually using them, and a > while later, reluctantly, I switched my main desktop environment to > Windows. I manage a good number of servers, with the vast majority of > them running Linux, but desktops? Windows all the way. Gnome developed > exactly along the path I suspected it would which is why I avoided it > - Miguel de Icaza being an early incarnation of Lennart. (although I > am very happy with the Midnight Commander...), and although KDE is a > lot more agreeable to my tastes, there is simply too much tweaking and > day to day little hassles - I have a job to do, and my PC is the tool > I need to do this job - it needs to Just Work(tm) > > Whilst I am still utterly amazed with how awesome Linux servers are, I > don't think we will ever get there with desktops. > _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list [email protected] https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng _____________________________________________________________ The Free Email with so much more! =====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list [email protected] https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
