On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 10:10:28 +0200 Martin Steigerwald <mar...@lichtvoll.de> wrote:
> Saying that systemd is the source of all evil and we are doomed to > it, is in no way helpful for any "we want to be without systemd" > efforts like Devuan. Quite the opposite: It harms the credibility of > such projects, cause it gives the impression that those projects just > consists of a bunch of people who circulate conspirations theories > about systemd *without* doing *anything* about the situation. I've seen almost nobody on the Dng list make the compound statement referenced in the first sentence of the preceding paragraph. Systemd is the source of all evil? Certainly, a lot of us believe it's evil. We're doomed to it? No, that's strictly a Debian-User talking point, and I haven't seen it used here. If you're interpreting "systemd is the source of all evil" as "we are doomed to it", I think you're misinterpreting what people meant. In fact, we've gathered around Devuan specifically to eliminate systemd. Regardless of motivation or philosophy or anything else, the one thing we're *actually doing* on this distro is getting rid of systemd. Now here's the thing: The people gathered around Devuan all want to be free of systemd, but for many different reasons. Some don't like its architecture. Some want to retain the ability to write init scripts. Some want native text logs. Some don't like its lead programmer. Some don't like its sponsor. Some believe it's the opening salvo in an Embrace->Extend->Extinquish attack. Some are tired of their low level operating system being somebody else's experimental lab. So we all work together. Conspiracy theorists and init script lovers, Redhat haters and modularity insisters, we all must work together, because if we don't all hang together, we most certainly will hang separately. I think we all should accept each others' motivations for working on Devuan. That's the sure way of guaranteeing that we'll never be doomed to systemd. SteveT Steve Litt * http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
