On Tue, 5 May 2015, Anto wrote:
> On 05/05/15 16:05, David Hare wrote:
> > 
> > > The decision in Debian to default the init system to systemd
> > > is the main reason to fork Debian in the first place.
> > 
> > Not exactly.. The reason is Debian's decision to *require* systemd with the
> > only alternative a crippled OS. What is "default" matters less..
> > 
> > D
> 
> Sorry David, I have to disagree with that. (What happened to me today, I have
> a lot of disagreements with people including at work).
> 
> In my view, the decision to use systemd as the default init of Debian forces
> the locked-in of massive number of packages into systemd. That is the main
> problem which leads to the birth of Devuan. They then provide workarounds for
> people who want to use other init systems, e.g. shim, etc., to be able to use
> the whole systemd base distro.

Isn't that essentially what
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